Deathwing pvp...

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Originally Posted by Zatoxlol

You know that being humans doesnt make you be low resillence at all? There are some cool things like Resillence Gems.... XD

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Nah, basically all of them are squishy little fools as they just use lots of pve and no resilience gems. Also compensating your resilience loss with gems and more pvp gear actually ends up being worse damage overall than using a medallion and more pve gear.

Basically being human is just bad and only baddies do it because "double trinket lol".

If you are wondering why you are getting ambushed in BiS plate for 7k-10k it is because you are in 400 resilience gear.

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Originally Posted by IzzyData

Nah, basically all of them are squishy little fools as they just use lots of pve and no resilience gems. Also compensating your resilience loss with gems and more pvp gear actually ends up being worse damage overall than using a medallion and more pve gear.

Basically being human is just bad and only baddies do it because "double trinket lol".

If you are wondering why you are getting ambushed in BiS plate for 7k-10k it is because you are in 400 resilience gear.

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So wrong....That's why every top pvper ever played Human race, in MoltenWoW or in any other servers witch requires way more skill then here...Make some math or just look around the internet, and you'll find your answer. Only case you wont run human is when you run caster cleaves for their racials.
Probably you're just blind, and be like "im horde and i play horde, let's go against something completly obvious that has been stated since years from everyone, and is still up".
IF we talk about WOTLK; u're wrong
If we talk about Cataclysm and MoP, for the few i tryed, u're right, but as you stated 400 resi and 7/10k dmg i guess you're talking about WOTLK
Just for be a bit on your side, the only reason for be non-human is witch comp you're going to play, against witch kind of bracket, metagame and % of team comps.
But unless you run RMP in a server full of LSP, unless you run WLD against RMP realm and so on, Human racial will be superior in 90% of the case; especially when in Molten metagame the matches ends so fast for the possibility of obtain BiS gear.
Another only chance of the no-human comp to win a mirror, is over a long match, having the luck in the human team to have a bunch of useless procs witch fade their pressure compared to the no-human witch is supposed to have the same whole time.
A no-human warrior is more about switching comps, but still be in troubles against human ones.

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Originally Posted by IzzyData

If you are wondering why you are getting ambushed in BiS plate for 7k-10k it is because you are in 400 resilience gear.

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If you run 400 resillence, you're a ****** unless you're a prot spec pvper.
W/o even say that thanks to molten resillence, you can hit that much on 1k resillence target...

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Originally Posted by Zatoxlol

Sorry to say to you that having x2 procs while being able to run with aprox 1060 resillence with 2h (talking as Warrior) allows an overall higher burst dmg when needed (Considering ICD of trinkets, their proc time and so on) then have a static base with just 1 trinket proc,
also, several BiS pvE items allows a way better damange range and stats then the PvP ones. (For example, bracers PvP witch are useless for warriors), PvP Rings witch are useless for every class PvP wise; HUman discussions are always been around each class, in case of melees are superior, in case of casters if you know how to play that class, not.
If an human qq about the dmg he gets, running 400 resi, sorry to say that he is an *****.
Also, 7k happens on 1/1.1k resi targets also thanks to the bugged resillence on Molten.
Your statement is valid just for some classes, for others you're completly wrong XD

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I get what you are trying to say, but the majority here does not think like that. They literally roll human for double trinket, lose out on survivability and then want to complain "x is OP", while drooling over their smourne warrior with DBW and StS

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Originally Posted by Thonatas

I get what you are trying to say, but the majority here does not think like that. They literally roll human for double trinket, lose out on survivability and then want to complain "x is OP", while drooling over their smourne warrior with DBW and StS

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YEs,you're right, but that's exactly how you beat them.
Was directly answering to the guy witch seemed so sure about "Pvp trinket + PvE trinket > Double PvE trinket + human racial"
No matter what people say, if equal skilled players will meet eachother, the human comp will win unfortunely.
ONly way to beat such teams is to outskill them, for example, when i had no shadowmourne and running T1 axe, i was almost never hitting any shadowmourne warrior, for do not provide him free rage, unless we were sure to force something defensive from him.
Same goes for every class/spec, after all, if 2 teams have the same equal skill, the one witch will do an higher pressure will win...It's WoW (MoltenWoW)

Also, dont get me wrong , but seems like this isnt a topic about HUman QQ about "X is OP", but mostly an Horde QQ, witch is related to their currently situation in bg (who the fck cares about bgs, when you que alone...lol)

I like how this thread slowly degenerates into "pls fix human racial".

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Originally Posted by Pencheto

I like how this thread slowly degenerates into "pls fix human racial".

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Like every PvP QQ topic from horde do...
(not against horde, but is just the truth)
Horde open topic---->Discussion about overpopulated ally (1 faction will be always more populated, and usually the one witch wins the most bgs on the start is, unless some PvP guild decide to have some battles and switch side)----->Nothing much to cry about---->Open "ally win cuz all go humans double trinket pew pew"---->Topic new title: Fix double trinket plox
I remember the 2 MoP realms discussions
Both factions were dominating 1 for realm each.
On 1 subforum Ally qq for overpopulated Horde
On 1 subforum Horde qq for overpopulated Ally

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Originally Posted by Zatoxlol

No matter what people say, if equal skilled players will meet eachother, the human comp will win unfortunely.

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But that's wrong. :D

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Originally Posted by IzzyData

But that's wrong. :D

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noooooope, Double trinket>all (equal skill) thats why QQing bout human racial continues nowadays even on retail

I second Quilan2. Clean up Crew is where its at.

So much smart people on horde side and pro players.
Aliance doesn t have a chance :DD

I dn't think so , premades bgs is the way to go..
Rudolfers, Protectors, Insanity, Cleaned up crew and Iron Horde are OP, i won 10 bgs streak win..
Some hordes players who are on par with allies top pvp...
AND PLEASE BE GEARED HORDES PEEPS STOP WHINING ...
I am one of the few who transferred my main from ally to horde , because i never like the easy way...
Allies is infested with Rogues,Warriors and Paladins all from human race... i never like humans also


FOR HORDE'S SAKE , DN'T JOIN BG UNTIL YOU ARE ABOVE 5.5K GS... PLS DO US THIS FAVOR
Concentrate on your professions, gather mats to ench your gear..

I don't mind people queueing with just the furious booster pack, but don't afk. At least be useful as a temporary distraction / meatshield so I can kill a couple people while they are killing you. The better your gear or the longer you survive as a meatshield the more people I can kill.

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Originally Posted by aryanprince

After Molten's first recover, those 2 days when Horde outnumbered Allys same way you didn't cry and qq like that. Typical Horde.

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those 2 days we had the same gear, and horde started to outnumber allis second day when alliance players realized they cant 1-2 shot kill half ppl in battleground, like they are doing now.

not only that horde is losing most of BG's, i will post few pic's to show how they are losing:
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i don't know is it even possible to do it, but make a cross-faction BG's and you will solve all problems.

Since when molten staff gives a s*** about pvp?, not including mit, rbgs were mess before this entire hermes thing happened, but nowdays im afraid entire realm gonna turn into a swamp of s*** sooner or later...