whats the point? 4 days to raid sunwell/bt. wow, so awesome. Why on Earth did we take the time to even test sunwell, if it's not going to be released. The lack of organization and information as to why it's been closed for so long is getting irritating. STILL no word as to why kael is closed. If the communication is going to continue like this between players and staff, (not mods) i'm done here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ksen6
It's more so the testing aspect. The earlier we release content, the faster we can have 9k people testing it, and catching bugs faster. My theory is also that releasing content earlier will lead to bored people earlier, and it will push developers to get more things released earlier. Now the question of course would be where the bottleneck in development occurs (developers can't push out content faster) leading to a decrease in quality, and faster rush to ICC 25 hc. Once ICC 25hc is out, the other servers will then want the port, and to please them, you will be required to port.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obnoxious
I suppose my theory really comes out based on past experiences, albeit the server was headed by someone different at the time. Firelands was released, not because it was ready, but because people were bored. Dragon Soul was released not because it was ready, but because people were bored. MoP was release not because it was ready, but because people were bored. You get where I'm going... :)
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With that said, perhaps it is wrong to judge Warmane in the same way, but so far, Lordaeron has followed the similar path. TBC wasn't ready, but you still released it, and it seems the same will happen with LK. My school/work revolves around pattern identification, and you can't deny the pattern is continuing. And to be honest, I don't disagree with that pattern. It is, I have found, the optimal release method for private servers. Private servers need constant releases to keep the population going (specially when so little works). You can't wait for 100% working things to release, because by then, you will have lost a significant portion of the population (MoP being a clear example). The aim is, new releases will bring new players (hopefully, and if our competition is weak) which is why you release first, and polish later.
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Originally Posted by Obnoxious
I dont know why you act like this.
Listen close:
You Guys claim to be the best wotlk out there instead of what you saying about yourself we see the real face on the PTR.
People are excited for wotlk and have a expectation what they get because of your advertisement. But in current stage it is not closed to what is advertised.
You need to understand that its just weird to acting that way.
It is for the sake of the server and the whole population that at least the first hours within new content are working good.
Just imagine a new Restaurant opens, you go there order food it tastes awful, will you ever ate again there? secondly you will probably talk about your friends about how awful the new restaurant is.
The same thing is going to happen with Lord, yes people will still play on the server but why you not keep your words and give us at least a good first impression.
after hitting 80 pve orientated people will join OS and see they will get oneshotted on pull. they probably question therself what you guys did the whole time when the first things you came through doesnt work.
you always claimed that main focus is on wotlk, k fine we dont care about not releasing bt/swp anymore but then at least give us t7 working content.
And yes im just talking about T7 but dont forget about the whole Class/PvP Bugs in general.
dont be offendet by this post, i simple want to make clear that people care about this server and are just shocked about the ignorance we get from the mods.
there is a close group of people even testing and reporting the stuff on ptr for the majority to get fixed. (just to mangine we testing SWP without it even gets released) and we the tester get flamed for stating things and talking about the worries that would come with this early release in current seen state of ptr
PS: serious question did you play yourself on the PTR and know why we are so worried about wotlk release?
For testing and identifying bugs, sure, you're right. But I can only see that working on speeding up the porting of content if Developers were lacking things to work on, so the faster bugs were tested, the faster they'd be fixed. Right now I believe they have their plates full and a row of plates lined up already, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by XxNotoriousxX
Also, regarding the "other servers wanted it ported," remember it depends. If you're talking about other expansions, I can't really say how compatible the code of Lordaeron's core is to them, although it has been hinted by Developer posts a while ago that they have some compatibility. If you're talking about the other Wrath servers, on the other hand, they likely need to wait for most, if not all content to be done on Lordaeron, because those cores I'm confident in saying are very incompatible. If they got something as Lordaeron did, it would mean them getting Lordaeron core, at whatever state it is at the time, which would mean losing content if the work hasn't been completed.
Mm, not totally what I was getting at. I was getting at the fact that earlier releases will lead to faster (albeit sub-optimal) releases further, to keep players happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obnoxious
For example, if we release OS on Dec 10, then people may demand Ulduar by Jan 10. But if we release OS on Dec 30, people will be busy until Jan 30, so we Ulduar will take longer. And then the snowball that to core transfers. What this means of course, would be bugged raids being released. Now I suppose the staff could wait until literally every bug is fixed before porting the core, but since I think this is:
a) impossible
b) would take you guys 2 years to even realize its impossible and players will be leaving long before that...
You will be forced to port a buggy core to the other realms.
I disagree with your evaluation that faster releases always lead to more happy players - this may not apply in the specific scenario of Lordaeron.Quote:
Originally Posted by XxNotoriousxX
Then again, it's not like I have numbers to back this up or anything.
I'm sure you realize this... Lordaeron obtained such a high population because people like WotLK.
I think a large part of the reason why so many have come is the promise of a relatively polished Wrath experience. By relatively polished, I don't mean bug-free. It's obvious that this isn't a realistic expectation.
I mean no major game-breaking issues that prevent bosses supposed to be in-game on day 1 from being completed.
With that being said, the staff should do what they think is best and will retain the most players moving forward through the Wrath release schedule. If a delay isn't in the cards for that, then people will deal with it and play the game in whatever state it's in.
It's impossible to make everyone happy as Obnoxious has already pointed out.
This. They should of waited and released the whole server another 6 months down the line. That's how much work needs being done. It just seems like the whole thing has been rushed. I'm disappointed that this looks like the way the server is going after putting so much time in and getting my hopes up... 20 days played already on my main. Such a waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lolmaru
The signs were there from day one, but I always had faith that warmane would pull it out the bag and the development team were working too hard on their wotlk content to be bothered about fixing current content, I always had hope that it would be the most complete wotlk server like they promised. Seems like a distant memory now.
The only reason i start to play on this server was raids....not bgs, not arena, and defenatly not world pvp. If the staff decides to release a totally broken T7 content to keep some ppl happy then sorry but they can say goodbye to most if not all hardcore raiders.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabinprosper1
There is no point to even try compete for realm first Naxxramas or EoE or OS if its buggy and needs workarounds to be completed.
The server pop peaks 7k to 8k every day, so loosing 4-5 hardcore guilds means that you are going to lose roughly 120-150 players. Its really not big deal.
By all means keep the casuls happy, but please don't advertise the server as "the most complete".
There are only a few possible scenarios for what will happen here.
1. Most confirmed major class/tier 7 raid bugs identified by testers get fixed on/before Dec 10 and the release goes down as planned.
2. If big issues are still present on Dec 10, staff makes decision to release on time anyway, raids with known bugs/required workarounds are opened.
3. If big issues are still present on Dec 10, staff makes decision to release on time anyway and locks raids that still have bugged bosses (preserve precious realm firsts).
4. If big issues are still present on Dec 10, staff makes decision to extend TBC to give more time for devs to fix bugs and testers to test on PTR.
#1 is clearly the preferred option for everyone and there's still time for it to happen. People need to stop jumping the gun and making assumptions before they're due.
If #1 doesn't happen, then I would choose #4 assuming BT/SWP is added in whatever broken state it's in to keep some people busy. It might also help to bolster PvP some if s2 gear was made available for honor and call to arms added.
If the game would instead remain in the current state for that time without BT/SWP, then I think I would prefer #3.
There is no condition under which I would choose #2, but if that's what happens, it's not going to stop me from playing.