Server Merge Stream

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Originally Posted by Aleastraszabcde

Lag can be prevented by optimisations and lowering player cap if needed.
Name losses for guilds and players is not fun it's not the end of the world. Maybe they could give the oldest guilds and most played characters the right to keep their name?

People losing toons can also be prevented, Kear Wolf already mentioned website based character trading for lordearon so they could make a system for max lvl characters to be transferred off to other accounts.

Lordearon not paying off? Really? Have you seen the population and the ques? All they need to do is open the donor gear gates and an endless stream of money will crash into warmane their bank accounts. Yes it's pay to win, no i don't care, it's part of the private server business. I've donated plenty of money as you have and i don't give a rats *** about cosmetic stuff. Sitting on a mountain of coins here, and they will be used to buy gear.

Warmane played it smart by first establishing a big *** community on lordearon, this will no doubt pay off eventually. They got access to all the data that was mined over the years, i'm 100% sure they know what they're doing.

Looking forward to their future plans here.

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We share the same views about cosmetic stuff as I think most people do. It's not going to generate anything worthy.

Lord is not paying off read Kaers post about it.

It brought players here but what good is that if they don't help fund said server?

I agree open donations to all realms like it used to be. No its not pay to win. You don't win anything. We all know 90% of the server who full donate are trash players BC they can't play their class even with said gear.

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Originally Posted by Funkymusic

Well there is lag. Names losses for guilds and players. People potentially losing toons since u can only have 10 on one realm and players have 10 between both right now. Did you forget all of that?

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Sorry but beside the lag these are all minor problems.
It would be crazy to not merge the realms just because a few ppl need to rename their char.
We had much more tricky realm merges in the past:
Think of the time when transfers from the Warsong wotlk instant 80 pvp realm to the other wotlk realms were open. These were much more tricky moments so I dont really see the problem with such a simple realm merge like we gonna have it now.
The merge gonna be pretty similiar to the MoP realm merge that happened last year. Everything worked fluently these days and I dont see why it should be any different when Deathwing and Ragnaros merge.

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Originally Posted by Funkymusic

You are missing the point. Those 10k on Lord are not helping to fund obviously as reported by Kaer. So you already have potential customers but nothing worth them spending money on because the donation model is terrible there.

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The donation model can be changed at any time if Kaer wish so.

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Originally Posted by Funkymusic

Actually we are getting rid of one cow. Re read his anology.

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No, we wont get rid of a cow because deathwing and ragnaros gonna merge which means that both cows are brought together and transform in something new.
Getting rid of one cow would mean that either Raganros or Deathwing would be abandoned and all the characters deleted which wont be the case.

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

Sorry but beside the lag these are all minor problems.
It would be crazy to not merge the realms just because a few ppl need to rename their char.
We had much more tricky realm merges in the past:
Think of the time when transfers from the Warsong wotlk instant 80 pvp realm to the other wotlk realms were open. These were much more tricky moments so I dont really see the problem with such a simple realm merge like we gonna have it now.
The merge gonna be pretty similiar to the MoP realm merge that happened last year. Everything worked fluently these days and I dont see why it should be any different when Deathwing and Ragnaros merge.

The donation model can be changed at any time if Kaer wish so.


No, we wont get rid of a cow because deathwing and ragnaros gonna merge which means that both cows are brought together and transform in something new.
Getting rid of one cow would mean that either Raganros or Deathwing would be abandoned and all the characters deleted which wont be the case.

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That is not a minor problem losing toons if u have 10 on each realm u have donated for or geared up. Not at all.

Yes the model can and should be changed. Without question.

All the toons will be deleted in a manner of speaking. Guild names and player names are much bigger of an issue than I think you fully grasp

Merging Rag and DW sounds good to me , eventhough more population doesn't exactly mean better gameplay experience or a more stable economy .
I guess time will tell , might as well give it a shot .

I am neutral... I like a higher population, but I don't want higher latency. I also do not like queue, even though I can skip it on those realms. Higher queue does mean more donations though, and that might be good for warmane.....

I don't know, I just think that ragnaros and deathwing will be getting fuller and fuller once the new core gets implemented there aswell.
My advice to the staff would be: wait and see what happens.

and as for guilds and players keeping their names it should be what ever guild or player that has played here longer and has a older account should keep the name, Warmane/Molten for once should show loyalty to its older players.

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

So after all u have also no idea if it would be cheaper or more expensive to host one big realm.

The only thing that we can say for sure is that a merged realm would make everything twice as active. Talking about raids, BGs, RDF and especially the arena brackets would benefit from it. Imo its a step forward to have such a high populated realm and I dont really get how ppl can be against such a idea.
The only argument against a realm merge that I find comprehensible is lag. But again, we dont know how many ppl gonna play on the merged realm. If its unplayable lagging then the source of the lag need to be identified and if nothing helps the realm cap need to be reduced. That would be the point where a third realm need to be opened.

Blizzard realms work completely different because they have in pretty much all areas a cross realm system.
Before cross realm was implemented a blizzard realm had far more than 3k players.

Yes, it COULD POSSIBLY mean that. Everything could be possible. Its highly unlikely though that they would make a second x7 rate realm when we already have one.


The 10k population and the plenty of new players that join Warmane every day. These ppl are all potential customers.
Before Warmane becomes bankrupt they have always the option to open a unresricted marketplace on Lordaeron. So yes, Lordaeron will pay off if they want so.


There is one important thing that u fail to understand. The merge doesnt mean that we get rid of one cow. It means that both cows merge and become a giant elephant.

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As I've said, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can't just say that because one realm has 4k players and the other has 4k, then if you merge both you'll have 8k players, no, it has been confirmed already that a lot of people are against the idea just by the simple fact that Kaer is rushing it, so what you've said regarding activity is a lie.
The only issue you see could be lag, that's because you can't see more because you lack knowledge and that's fine, realms don't run like a magical realm under perfect mathematical situations, they're computers which need better hardware/network so they can run with more players.

I am talking about Blizzard's realms from 7 years ago when Wotlk was their current expansion, realms back then had a 3k population limit and there was no such thing as "cross-realms bgs" which came later on (after Wotlk), and no, that's a lie, Blizzard's population limit for realms was around ~3k players because they thought it was the best experience for their users (There were also technical limitations btw), and I think they weren't wrong.

As Funky has said already, realms can run under different rates and the difference exists, but the core is the same. When we talk about people (players), we have to think that they'll always choose what they think is better, but when it comes to companies, you should choose what's better for THE COMPANY.

They're potential customers, but without an addecuated marketing strategy to make of those potential customers, actual custemers, then we're running a project blindly. I don't know if I've said it already, but I think Kaer has been running Lordaeron without a strategy but just having high hopes (And that isn't good).

"Before Warmane goes bankrupt"... You don't know when you'll go bankrupt, you can predict when and I don't know if they're gonna predict when they go bankrupt, that's stupid. Also, it isn't like if they open a marketplace in Lordaeron as they did in Ragnaros, money will start flowing.

Re-read my analogy please, as Funky has said, you're wrong. I hope you come to understand this, also if you didn't know "cows" and "dogs" are some pretty common terms used in marketing, just so you know it.

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

Sorry but beside the lag these are all minor problems.
It would be crazy to not merge the realms just because a few ppl need to rename their char.
We had much more tricky realm merges in the past:
Think of the time when transfers from the Warsong wotlk instant 80 pvp realm to the other wotlk realms were open. These were much more tricky moments so I dont really see the problem with such a simple realm merge like we gonna have it now.
The merge gonna be pretty similiar to the MoP realm merge that happened last year. Everything worked fluently these days and I dont see why it should be any different when Deathwing and Ragnaros merge.

The donation model can be changed at any time if Kaer wish so.


No, we wont get rid of a cow because deathwing and ragnaros gonna merge which means that both cows are brought together and transform in something new.
Getting rid of one cow would mean that either Raganros or Deathwing would be abandoned and all the characters deleted which wont be the case.

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"It would be crazy to not merge the realms just because a few ppl need to rename their char", eh? What are you trying to say? Are you trying to tell me that merging both realms is the real deal and our problems (money) will be solved because of that? Please, stop. You are giving no legit reasons to merge both realms, you just want it to happen because you think it will be funnier for you (And guess what, companies have to think on the best situation that would affect the least to ALL their players).
Also, the fact that there were some more suspicious realm merges in the past isn't a reason to make this merge happen.

"The merge gonna be pretty similiar to the MoP realm merge that happened last year. Everything worked fluently these days and I dont see why it should be any different when Deathwing and Ragnaros merge".
Excuse me buddy, let me tell you that in real life you don't apply the same strategy to everything just because it worked fine on one case, just no.

We're getting rid of one cow just to feed the other one even more, how can this be so hard to understand... gosh.
The cows are the realms, not the players inside of it, we're feeding cows with players and money and we expect them to produce more money than what has been invested.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

@Drakantas
I dont even bother to read all ur "smart" statements and have a discussion until the end of time.
The realm merge gonna happen no matter if u like it or not.
Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

@Drakantas
I dont even bother to read all ur "smart" statements and have a discussion until the end of time.
The realm merge gonna happen no matter if u like it or not.
Deal with it.

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That's hardly a way to discuss something as meaningful as a server merge. If you can't be bothered to read other people's replies why even bother participating in the discussion?

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

@Drakantas
I dont even bother to read all ur "smart" statements and have a discussion until the end of time.
The realm merge gonna happen no matter if u like it or not.
Deal with it.

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It's a proposition at the moment, and we certainly can't affirm that.
You won't read it because you like to be an ignorant and talk whatever comes from your mouth and pretend you have an idea of the bigger image.

I hope it's the end of your replies, honestly I hope you get out of this thread.

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Originally Posted by Rifokelt

That's hardly a way to discuss something as meaningful as a server merge. If you can't be bothered to read other people's replies why even bother participating in the discussion?

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I have closely read and replied to all other posts. Having a discussion with Drakantas would lead nowhere.
He is not interested in a constructive discussion. He is just getting emotional, starts to insult for no reason and want to be right at any cost.

I already made my points clear and its not necessary to have a fight about who is right and who is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

I have closely read and replied to all other posts. Having a discussion with Drakantas would lead nowhere.
He is not interested in a constructive discussion. He is just getting emotional, starts to insult for no reason and want to be right at any cost.

I already made my points clear and its not necessary to have a fight about who is right and who is wrong.

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I haven't insult you at any moment, I am actually interested on a constructive (Do you know what it means? ) discussion and I amn't trying to be right at any point, I'm just pointing out that you're wrong.

Ignorant according to the dictionary:
1º Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
2º Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.

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Originally Posted by Drakantas

stop talking stuff you have no idea about:

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Originally Posted by Drakantas

As I've said, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Drakantas

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

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Originally Posted by Drakantas

you like to be an ignorant and talk whatever comes from your mouth and pretend you have an idea of the bigger image.

I hope it's the end of your replies, honestly I hope you get out of this thread.

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U call this a respectful treatment?
U think calling somebody ignorant and telling him to stop talking is the right way to start a discussion?

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Originally Posted by Drakantas

I am actually interested on a constructive (Do you know what it means? ) discussion

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And even here is a insult hidden which already proves that u are not interested in a constructive discussion.

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

I have closely read and replied to all other posts. Having a discussion with Drakantas would lead nowhere.
He is not interested in a constructive discussion. He is just getting emotional, starts to insult for no reason and want to be right at any cost.

I already made my points clear and its not necessary to have a fight about who is right and who is wrong.

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it kind of is. look this is a debatable subject without question but i tend to agree that this merger is nothing but trouble even though i am for the higher players on a realm. i said in the start of this thread bring on the rage. why? because i want peoples true emotions and opinions on this matter.

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

@Drakantas
I dont even bother to read all ur "smart" statements and have a discussion until the end of time.
The realm merge gonna happen no matter if u like it or not.
Deal with it.

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you really should read his stuff he makes a lot of really good points. its not going to happen no matter what because nothing is set in stone for sure at this point. the staff have changed their minds on plenty of occasions. to sit there and say that is just plain ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

U call this a respectful treatment?
U think calling somebody ignorant and telling him to stop talking is the right way to start a discussion?

And even here is a insult hidden which already proves that u are not interested in a constructive discussion.

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well jakkre, Drakantas does have points that are worthy or merit and worth reading and you seem to keep glossing over or ignoring what he has wrote here. i dont want this to get off on personal attacks but like i said he makes some really good points i believe that people like you who are guns blazing for this merge need to take into consideration and at least see the other side of the argument. no offense either but respect had nothing to do with anything of his you quoted. hidden insults? your reaching mate. stop hanging on every thing everyone says thats not even and insult hidden or out in the open.

personally i think many players are blind as to what is going on here because lets face it maybe 20% of molten uses these forums on a regular enough basis to read a thread like this. out of that 20% i would say maybe 2% actually have some real knowledge. The rest are people crying about something being to hard or how donating is P2W. you have to open your self to both sides of the argument then make a decision which is why i made this thread in the first place to gauge both sides and see what people had to say.

Im playing on this server since 2010 and I have already experienced plenty of merges and transfers.
I have read ur arguments and also Drakantas arguments and I still dont get why u make such a drama about the merge. I really dont see that this specific realm merge gonna be more tricky than other realm merges in the past.

Nevertheless its Warmane who decides and I doubt that posts in this thread gonna influence their decision in any way.