What does Sargeras need?

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Originally Posted by DenebRove

Well beggars can't be choosers at this point. Course a lot went retail so... if you are after a bug free experience it is definitely the way to go.

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How dare you compare me to a beggar, lol. I have a new house and a car * ahem *. If you can remember how it was like in WoTLK and Cataclysm 4.0.6. PvP was fair because almost all class skills were perfect. That's why Molten earned it's position today, then suddenly they just lost how they were.

Molten is still the best because of the players, because of us. They owe it all to us. Some servers are even scripted better than Molten, but if there's no players, whats the sense of playing in it. If they scripted 4.3.4 a lot better, then they wouldnt lose almost 2k players here in Sargeras. We all deserve a better scripted server here on Molten.

Oh, I'm playing Neverwinter as a Control Wizard atm, the game is amazing and its free, PvP is fair. I'm waiting for MoP to be released while I'm there.

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Originally Posted by Kevinator

Im sorry but I have never used cata logs could you tell me if this is right or not
http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/...rchok/10N/dps/ On this fight morchork fury warrior is top and i dont see another arms warrior until 2-3 pages. like i said before I dont know if this is right or if this was done by level 90. so if i am wrong have mercy:)

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Sure, the first fury warrior on the list is doing 90k DPS in a fight that lasted 47.9 seconds, where even the tank is doing 29k DPS (a protection pala), obviously something is off.

Now let's compare the general picture:

Top 10 Fury on Morchok

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Dragon_Soul/Morchok/10N/Fury_Warrior/

Top 10 Fury on Morchok

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Dragon_Soul/Morchok/10N/Arms_Warrior/

Let's go Warlord:

Fury

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Dragon_Soul/Warlord_Zon'ozz/10N/Fury_Warrior/

Arms

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Dragon_Soul/Warlord_Zon'ozz/10N/Arms_Warrior/

Ultraxion:

Fury

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Dragon_Soul/Ultraxion/10N/Fury_Warrior/

Arms

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Dragon_Soul/Ultraxion/10N/Arms_Warrior/

Madness:

Fury

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Dragon_Soul/Madness_of_Deathwing/10N/Fury_Warrior/

Arms

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Dragon_Soul/Madness_of_Deathwing/10N/Arms_Warrior/

Now on Heroic:

Fury

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Dragon_Soul/Madness_of_Deathwing/10H/Fury_Warrior/

Arms

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Dragon_Soul/Madness_of_Deathwing/10H/Arms_Warrior/


See my point?

Imo we should get forum/site announcment that Ilyanah one got new house and car about half year ago, seems its very important info that contributes to about any subject people talk about on this boards.

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Originally Posted by ilyanah

Ok, I'm going to give my honest answer to your question.

Choose an overpowerbugged class.

1. Ret Paladin
2. Hunter
3. Enhancement Shaman

There you go.

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1. Hunter should be #1, #2 and #3 on every OP list right now. Nothing comes even close.
2. Ret OP? Wut? I don't play a ret, but they aren't OP.
3. Where are DK's?

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Originally Posted by bludr4ven

Imo we should get forum/site announcment that Ilyanah one got new house and car about half year ago, seems its very important info that contributes to about any subject people talk about on this boards.

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Its not Half a year ago, It was last month. Before you judge people, let me tell you what happened why we got a new house. A big *** typhoon devastated our ancestral home where me and my family lived for 10 years. Luckily for us we got savings and we used it very early to buy a new house. It was also sad to let go of the house you lived in for a very long time.

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Originally Posted by strix

1. Hunter should be #1, #2 and #3 on every OP list right now. Nothing comes even close.
2. Ret OP? Wut? I don't play a ret, but they aren't OP.
3. Where are DK's?

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DKs are not OP on Molten, they are OK. But, look at this bug list. Death Knights are supposed to be OP in 4.3.4. But because of the bugs....

GCD Delay
Rune Usage
Scourge Strike's Damage
Dark Sim
Ghoul Leap
Ghoul Gnaw
Gargoyle in general
Death Grip
Death's Advance

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Originally Posted by ilyanah

How dare you compare me to a beggar, lol. I have a new house and a car * ahem *. If you can remember how it was like in WoTLK and Cataclysm 4.0.6. PvP was fair because almost all class skills were perfect. That's why Molten earned it's position today, then suddenly they just lost how they were.

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4.0.6 was even more buggy, while WotLK had a ton of work due to time, while they were probably more responsive to the class bugs in 4.0.6 it was far from being in top form -- and there were more exploitable class bugs mind you just that unlike 4.3.4 there are exploits all around to even things out (rather than the select few we have now that makes imbalances more apparent). Adding to that the server stability was terrible, as well as the weaker DDoS mitigation back then, I'd certainly not want a return to that era.

That said I find it more disturbing that you would take an idiomatic expression literally... Like metaphors, similes, and personification you don't take it at face value -- so there is no need to be defensive or explanations needed.

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Originally Posted by DenebRove

4.0.6 was even more buggy, while WotLK had a ton of work due to time, while they were probably more responsive to the class bugs in 4.0.6 it was far from being in top form -- and there were more exploitable class bugs mind you just that unlike 4.3.4 there are exploits all around to even things out (rather than the select few we have now that makes imbalances more apparent). Adding to that the server stability was terrible, as well as the weaker DDoS mitigation back then, I'd certainly not want a return to that era.

That said I find it more disturbing that you would take an idiomatic expression literally... Like metaphors, similes, and personification you don't take it at face value -- so there is no need to be defensive or explanations needed.

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yea that's true, but for me, the only problem in 4.0.6 are the druids and I can live with that. It was more fun playing in that patch, GCD was perfect. GCD in 4.3.4 is total trash and it pisses me off. What needs work in WoTLK? PvE content? I don't care about PvE, I'm here for PvP and it is the reason why we all came here for.

And how would you explain losing around 2k players ever since 4.3.4 came?

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Originally Posted by ilyanah

People were successful making the aimed shot overpowered. Their tests at first were within range. They "fixed" it adding more damage to it to shut people up.

I tested my simple formula on all my Death Knight abilities. and they were all correct except for one, Blood strike, every DK knows that it deals another 40% damage with both disease up. The Devs missed that, but blood strike is a worthless skill now for Death Knights so people ignored it.

I hate it when people takes advantage of a buggy server suffering from buggy class abilities. And I also love how people tend to abuse bugs against me,
for example: while I have Anti-Magic Shell and healing myslef, you guys bombard me with Silencing shots and Counter Spells which should be resisted by Anti-Magic Shell. Any harmful magical effect should be resisted.

What a broken game.

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This is my last response. Every question you have regarding formulas and testing can be found in the link. There is no bug. If you want a simple, logical test do this. Fire 2 arcane shots at the level 1 dummy, and compare the damage of those 2 arcane shots to your calculated aimed shot damage.

Arcane shot costs 20 focus and is instant.
Aimed shot costs 50 focus and has a 3 sec cast time.

If your calculated aimed shot damage is lower than what you are doing with 2 arcane shots, then clearly you are calculating it wrong.

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Originally Posted by ilyanah

yea that's true, but for me, the only problem in 4.0.6 are the druids and I can live with that. It was more fun playing in that patch, GCD was perfect. GCD in 4.3.4 is total trash and it pisses me off. What needs work in WoTLK? PvE content? I don't care about PvE, I'm here for PvP and it is the reason why we all came here for.

And how would you explain losing around 2k players ever since 4.3.4 came?

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Well for one Cata realms at 4.0.6 were relatively new so novelty always plays a key factor, and it should never be underestimated. Aside from the fact that Cata is in itself is not the most popular expansion, and even here one can see the strong following of WotLK realms despite its age -- and the frequency of requests for TBC realms.

As for what you are here for whether it be PVP or PVE Molten aims for both, but you'd definitely be simplifying things if you believe WotLK only needs work with PVE you can go there and the PVP community are no less happy about bugs (and they can generously point out a lot -- there is still a ton of important fixes to be made). Though bugs are somewhat downplayed due to balance issues that result from the prolific access to end game gear, and ease of accessibility with Shadowmourne.

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Originally Posted by XxNotoriousxX

This is my last response. Every question you have regarding formulas and testing can be found in the link. There is no bug. If you want a simple, logical test do this. Fire 2 arcane shots at the level 1 dummy, and compare the damage of those 2 arcane shots to your calculated aimed shot damage.

Arcane shot costs 20 focus and is instant.
Aimed shot costs 50 focus and has a 3 sec cast time.

If your calculated aimed shot damage is lower than what you are doing with 2 arcane shots, then clearly you are calculating it wrong.

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I told you, I calculated Arcane shot, steady shot basically all shots. They were all in range except for Aimed Shot. And I also calculated skill damage from my Death Knight and it was all in range except for Blood Strike. If you ask a blizzard developer if skills are working as intended on molten, he would honestly say no to mostly everything.

I know you love your hunter and you will defend it no matter what. Its human nature. Just like the shamans I talked to, claiming that their class isn't bugged.

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Originally Posted by ilyanah

I told you, I calculated Arcane shot, steady shot basically all shots. They were all in range except for Aimed Shot. And I also calculated skill damage from my Death Knight and it was all in range except for Blood Strike. If you ask a blizzard developer if skills are working as intended on molten, he would honestly say no to mostly everything.

I know you love your hunter and you will defend it no matter what. Its human nature. Just like the shamans I talked to, claiming that their class isn't bugged.

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Just a question, no ill intend: What is bugged with shamans?

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Originally Posted by strix

Just a question, no ill intend: What is bugged with shamans?

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That's a' good question. But when I see low ilevel Shamans (enha) keeping up with fairly equipped raid something is up. You notice this at lower ilevels. Still at higher end gear they are still top, keeping up with mages, this was not true in cata.

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Originally Posted by Scarth

Hey
I normally play on the WotLK servers. Having played only one month of Cata on live servers, I'd like to give it's content a proper go.

So what classes/roles are in demand? For example, on Ragnaros, Tanks are extremely in demand and are the least played class; playing a tank will typically get you an instant queue pop on RDF, and people will beg you to run a heroic with them.

Thanks

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Idk if you got you wanted, so I'll just say it.
Back when I was in sargeras, I had both specs, as a pala geared.Tank & Healer. Got into them as soon as I wanted to.
I still think It's the same there (It's the same thing on Neltharion).

What Sargeras realm needs is Sargeras itself to bring chaos and destruction into this world.So his daemonic forces The burning legion and his liuntendents Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden spread pain and agony in his name!

But esentialy sargeras needs some bug fixes i guess.

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Originally Posted by Scarth

Hey
I normally play on the WotLK servers. Having played only one month of Cata on live servers, I'd like to give it's content a proper go.

So what classes/roles are in demand? For example, on Ragnaros, Tanks are extremely in demand and are the least played class; playing a tank will typically get you an instant queue pop on RDF, and people will beg you to run a heroic with them.

Thanks

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well tanks and healers are short on hand here though it helps having a tank who can switch to dps sometimes.
P.S never roll warrior tank currently the worst and least played hardly seen many warrior tanks.before some one QQ about this I am saying as my friend who is usually good at learning his class couldn't handle a HoO hc with good dps and healer he lost agro soon enough same as today when I did a rdf norm warr tank lost agro to healer wasn't bad of a warrior tank though.

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Originally Posted by xirizoz

What Sargeras realm needs is Sargeras itself to bring chaos and destruction into this world.So his daemonic forces The burning legion and his liuntendents Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden spread pain and agony in his name!

But esentialy sargeras needs some bug fixes i guess.

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I can say that you have not read the lore of warcraft till this day.

I am not urprised this topic went off track.