Nerf human racial for lordareon? discussion

its not that much pay to win thats for sure and i can deal with it ... but funny that gm once told that if anyone would like to buy gear for money hes not going to choose lordareon.. whats the point of having that mechanic on lordareon at all? :D (jk) I still stand for opinion that they should give atleast try to this model and i thing if they will be literally hitting players faces with fact that they removed buying items for 100% blizzlike experience, it might seriously wake up wallets of hardcore players...

it's blizzs failure, but i dont think it will ever be balanced since people are to scared to change anything, even if its fail people will follow. when you have same skill as oponent such things as +trink decide outcome. I remember team orc+belf (pal+war) which we was just barely winning, but after they switched to ally (humans) never won them again.

I see some people said noo it' doesn't matter. so according to them 90 teams of top100 just rolling humans for nice outfit and rest of 10 drus/shams.

It's no secret that the majority of top arena teams have been human since this stupid racial was put in to play. I recall a lot of faction / race changes during WotLK retail for this racial. In a world where everyone gears / specs to kill ASAP dual DPS trinks is pretty OP (PvP only ofc).
I'm not totally against removing / changing their racial but it's literally game changing which isn't a good idea since the majority of us are WotLK fanatics and suicide over meek imbalances as is.

Heh even if it was OP it still will be in the game... Not having it would be stupid really... Perhaps on a pvp realm that would be subject to change but not Lord.

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Originally Posted by Kelthuzzad

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Perhaps on a pvp realm that would be subject to change but not Lord.

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Precisely that.
There`s been discussions on Blackrock back when it was AT still to do something about it.

disagree... on pvp noone cares if everyones rolling human... but blizzlike like lordareon need race balance.. making human racial remove only stuns would make it easier for everyone

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Originally Posted by Armand85

it's blizzs failure, but i dont think it will ever be balanced since people are to scared to change anything, even if its fail people will follow. when you have same skill as oponent such things as +trink decide outcome. I remember team orc+belf (pal+war) which we was just barely winning, but after they switched to ally (humans) never won them again.

I see some people said noo it' doesn't matter. so according to them 90 teams of top100 just rolling humans for nice outfit and rest of 10 drus/shams.

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Those top pvp players would still be good players even without the human racial. It's not because of their human racial that they reach the higher positions on the arena ladder, but it's because they are skilled. And their skill includes also the fact they have choosen the human race in order to equip a second pve trinket. A noob will remain a noob even if he plays a full bis geared human arms warrior with 600 resilience and 100% armor penetration.

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

Those top pvp players would still be good players even without the human racial. It's not because of their human racial that they reach the higher positions on the arena ladder, but it's because they are skilled. And their skill includes also the fact they have choosen the human race in order to equip a second pve trinket. A noob will remain a noob even if he plays a full bis geared human arms warrior with 600 resilience and 100% armor penetration.

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That's wrong, your logic works upside down. Where such things as racial, gear don't make much difference is exactly at lower rates, when you reach high/top rates such things you feel really hard. By your logic there is only "noob vs pro" arenas and never "pro vs pro"

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Originally Posted by Armand85

That's wrong, your logic works upside down. Where such things as racial, gear don't make much difference is exactly at lower rates, when you reach high/top rates such things you feel really hard. By your logic there is only "noob vs pro" arenas and never "pro vs pro"

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exactly .. blizzard claimed that every race is unique and you can choose whatever race you like
they lied

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Originally Posted by INVERZER

exactly .. blizzard claimed that every race is unique and you can choose whatever race you like
they lied

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But that's not what this topic is about it is? IF you think the human racial is so op just roll a human plain and simple haha!

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Originally Posted by Kelthuzzad

But that's not what this topic is about it is? IF you think the human racial is so op just roll a human plain and simple haha!

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but thats the point.. I dont wanna roll races because of their racials and I think it should be this way and last but not least it would help balance races naturally but i think this disscusion has ended unless comes moderator and say that they are going to make free faction changes in case of emergency :D

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Originally Posted by INVERZER

but thats the point.. I dont wanna roll races because of their racials and I think it should be this way and last but not least it would help balance races naturally but i think this disscusion has ended unless comes moderator and say that they are going to make free faction changes in case of emergency :D

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Well then you sacrifice looks over racials simple as that... Then roll what you want. Well that's your opinion :). Maybe it will but it won't happend since then we could justify removing more racials out of the game for the sheer reason of unbalance... It can be taken further but i won't. Lol offer free faction change for that reason? Only reason to offer such service is due to faction unbalance not cause of a racial.

You do know every race have their benefits and taking away human's racial would unbalance pvp, to balance its again you would need to remove 1 racial from other races or ells they will be considered "OP"

always hated that racial but the orc passive is nice too, and blood elf got some nice interrupt cast racial, so its fine i guess. i still hate the human passive and i still think it what makes alot of ppl go human, but if there wont be balance, i hope there will be involvement. in the worst case scenario - just pve like in the past lordaeron horde side for me at least :D

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Originally Posted by Armand85

That's wrong, your logic works upside down. Where such things as racial, gear don't make much difference is exactly at lower rates, when you reach high/top rates such things you feel really hard. By your logic there is only "noob vs pro" arenas and never "pro vs pro"

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So, following your argument, we should also nerf all the horde racials because they give un unfair advantage in PVE. Don't take it as an insult but your english is so bad that I couldn't understand it.

What I was trying ot explaing is that those players will still remain in the higher positions of the arena ladder even if they nerf the human racial. When you reach the higher ranks, the gear doesn't matter anymore because all the top pvp players are usually bis geared, with or without a second pve trinket. Not to mention that some arena comps are are better to be played WITHOUT the human racial. Some classes/specs haven't got an ability which removes fear, so that's why they are better to played with the undead race. The same goes with the gnome racial when you play in those arena teams which lack a dispeller.