Scripting/Hacking ban for 30d? Why and how to prevend?

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Originally Posted by xSpecialx

First of all, thank you for trying to clear up things for us. Raising awareness could protect many in the future.
The problem is I am unsure what client modification actually means, includes or excludes which is why it is not that simple to us mortals.

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Client modification generally refers to directly modifying or editing the game executable (the file you click to run WoW) or the game files (.mpq, .dll).

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Originally Posted by Rhonim

Client modification generally refers to directly modifying or editing the game executable (the file you click to run WoW) or the game files (.mpq, .dll).

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But how can that be account specific then? IF such alterations were made by w.e source wouldn't all accounts in that same wow folder be affected equally?

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Originally Posted by TropezLikeWeed

I honestly do not understand if it is so difficult to tell us what to delete to avoid this issue. You banned thousands of people TWICE, and yet you believe that you are right. Thats just stupid. I literally posted footage of ban that happened to me while streaming. Then came with another account and suddently it is all fine? Nothing detected by warden.

I like how they throw that "This account was found to be quite clearly utilizing illegal scripts, unlockers or third-party cheating software in the past month." excuse in ban appeals. Are you guys kidding us? We were banned for past month, logged for 10 minutes after that ban ended and got ourselves banned again. How can you collect evidence over the month I was not even being able to log?

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Not sure what to lol harder at... you saying it's thousands or getting banned while streaming as proof you aren't a cheater (don't forget to mention you conveniently took the stream down when changing accounts)... yeah I'd do the same if I wanted to discredit them, get banned, turn everything I knew would get me banned off, and then not get banned when the stream was up again... no, wait, I'd be smarter lol

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Originally Posted by xSpecialx

First of all, thank you for trying to clear up things for us. Raising awareness could protect many in the future.
The problem is I am unsure what client modification actually means, includes or excludes which is why it is not that simple to us mortals. Let's say cosmetic addons who allow you to change how your UI character portrait, target or even pet frame looks like which is a lot different from default UI that you said you use yourself or for example addon auctionator allows you to buy/post multiple items at once that you would without this addon have to manually click one by one. Why exactly first case doesn't assume client modification and could second one be considered botting behavior? If lua errors are red flags AFTER installation of such addons are there any that we should care for before actually trying to use them?

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I've been trying to think of an abstract way to explain this to everyone. Basically the client is made of 3 layers: the game code (wow.exe) where code stitches together all the logic, the data folder for models/static content and the addons which allow changes to the user interface.

Editing the game code can and will catch a ban.

If the game code hasn't been edited then addons are limited in what they can do and no matter what you try to run they just won't go outside of those bounds. They'll throw lua errors that say something about a protected function being called, I can't remember what it is exactly since I haven't seen it in quite a while, but since they won't run then you aren't breaking rules. There are numerous errors that can be thrown for numerous reasons, this is just the relevant one.

The models can be edited so long as you don't change the game world's structure. I believe I went into detail a little bit about this a few months ago with one of the devlogs by explaining that you can modify textures all you want but removing a wall in a BG will catch a ban. Textures, like character models, can be changed but the physical structure of the game world should not.

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Originally Posted by xSpecialx

What makes these http://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=413940 legal then? Aren't those modifications you are referring to?
Could we rely on http://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=51521 sticky addons to be safe at least?

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I saw that first link not long after it was created and had to look twice based on that misleading title. They're just addons like everything else in that section and seem to add niche quality of life changes. The sticky is fine, myself and loads of others are still using them today.

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Originally Posted by TropezLikeWeed

Repost, want to answer these questions?

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If you were banned and hadn't done anything in that moment or in that online session then chances are it's like Rhonim said and a human issued the ban based on some kind of previous evidence.

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Originally Posted by xBloodySin

Not sure what to lol harder at... you saying it's thousands or getting banned while streaming as proof you aren't a cheater (don't forget to mention you conveniently took the stream down when changing accounts)... yeah I'd do the same if I wanted to discredit them, get banned, turn everything I knew would get me banned off, and then not get banned when the stream was up again... no, wait, I'd be smarter lol

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You and everyone else could first laugh at what you wrote. Zero idea how streaming programs work, how to set them up and so on. Another case where people just do not know where and when to keep their mouth shut. And if you are that salty pvp player that gets raped by everyone and everywhere, do not talk at all. Don't you think people would not use same **** if they knew that it made them banned, especially when it is tracked by warden? Go hit that head agaisnt the wall harder mate.

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Originally Posted by Worsttank

This topic sharing your experiences and everybody can share your thoughts that "how we prevent it", for now we stay patient. and play without addons for now, we are the wave that got banned for nothing and there is people got banned for hacking/scripting because they are using it. So remind calm and chill.
I'm addicted to this game, but there is nothing I or you can't do something about it, only to wait, thank you.

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Keep in mind thank you. @TropezLikeWeed

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Originally Posted by Repost

I've been trying to think of an abstract way to explain this to everyone. Basically the client is made of 3 layers: the game code (wow.exe) where code stitches together all the logic, the data folder for models/static content and the addons which allow changes to the user interface.

Editing the game code can and will catch a ban.

If the game code hasn't been edited then addons are limited in what they can do and no matter what you try to run they just won't go outside of those bounds. They'll throw lua errors that say something about a protected function being called, I can't remember what it is exactly since I haven't seen it in quite a while, but since they won't run then you aren't breaking rules. There are numerous errors that can be thrown for numerous reasons, this is just the relevant one.

The models can be edited so long as you don't change the game world's structure. I believe I went into detail a little bit about this a few months ago with one of the devlogs by explaining that you can modify textures all you want but removing a wall in a BG will catch a ban. Textures, like character models, can be changed but the physical structure of the game world should not.



I saw that first link not long after it was created and had to look twice based on that misleading title. They're just addons like everything else in that section and seem to add niche quality of life changes. The sticky is fine, myself and loads of others are still using them today.



If you were banned and hadn't done anything in that moment or in that online session then chances are it's like Rhonim said and a human issued the ban based on some kind of previous evidence.

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Okay, so what you are saying is that if in real life the guy robs jewelery shop, has his time behind the bars, comes out and then cops just come to him and tell that he robbed that jewelry shop 5 years ago and put him behind the bars again?

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Originally Posted by TropezLikeWeed

Okay, so what you are saying is that if in real life the guy robs jewelery shop, has his time behind the bars, comes out and then cops just come to him and tell that he robbed that jewelry shop 5 years ago and put him behind the bars again?

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No, I'm saying maybe you did something literally within the past week.

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Originally Posted by Repost

No, I'm saying maybe you did something literally within the past week.

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yeah, I was banned past week. thank you for asking

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Originally Posted by Worsttank

Both of you, stop. Go private and talk whatever who's savage, because u are not helping at all.

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The only help you could receive is the one from admins. But the sad part about it, is that they will not give you any, because we are scripters in their eyes. :)

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Originally Posted by Repost

If the game code hasn't been edited then addons are limited in what they can do and no matter what you try to run they just won't go outside of those bounds. They'll throw lua errors that say something about a protected function being called, I can't remember what it is exactly since I haven't seen it in quite a while, but since they won't run then you aren't breaking rules.

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But can addons themselves (or at least whatever comes posing as addon, extracted files in interface> addons folder) cause such modifications to game code? Or it has to be some more direct source to those changes. If so, how is it possible for only some accounts in that same "modified "wow folder to be affected and not the others?

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Originally Posted by Repost

If you were banned and hadn't done anything in that moment or in that online session then chances are it's like Rhonim said and a human issued the ban based on some kind of previous evidence.

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I was banned in a string of about 50 players all banned at the same time ( I have screenshots to support this) I'm not sure as to How your banning system works if there's some backend client but my understanding is a gm would need to physically target and ban me which wouldn't have been possible in the timespan which all players were banned. No whisper to go somewhere safe, no teleport from the gms to somewhere else (as was the case when my friend teleported me to gm island years ago while I was on his mammoth) I appreciate you actually responding unlike some certain individuals who don't do such and at least trying to help in *some* way.

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Originally Posted by xSpecialx

But can addons themselves (or at least whatever comes posing as addon, extracted files in interface> addons folder) cause such modifications to game code? Or it has to be some more direct source to those changes. If so, how is it possible for only some accounts in that same "modified "wow folder to be affected and not the others?

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These bans are not caused by addons. Thats for sure. If they were, Im sure I would have received bans on all of my accounts.
On the other hand, macros could. I believe that anything that starts with ./script triggers warden. Even if its ./script setmaxcameradistance (50)

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Originally Posted by xSpecialx

But can addons themselves (or at least whatever comes posing as addon, extracted files in interface> addons folder) cause such modifications to game code? Or it has to be some more direct source to those changes. If so, how is it possible for only some accounts in that same "modified "wow folder to be affected and not the others?

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Nah, dude, something like that would a)be an addon and do what addons do or b)not be an addon and not be loaded from the addons folder. An addon could try to do **** it's not supposed to, but it takes something else to allow it to do that, just being in the addons folder without that something else would give errors like Repost said. Nah, you can't have the something else and use it by accident lol

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Originally Posted by TropezLikeWeed

These bans are not caused by addons. Thats for sure. If they were, Im sure I would have received bans on all of my accounts.
On the other hand, macros could. I believe that anything that starts with ./script triggers warden. Even if its ./script setmaxcameradistance (50)

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If that is true as well I have a few macros that begin with that that I was trying to figure out switching my titles (Bane/Lod) with a macro so I didn't have to use the UI to do so. (also if anyone has a working macro for that that would be sick)