[Wrath] DPS is NOT Blizzlike!

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June 19, 2015
Pibels

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Originally Posted by Sapphire

Now you're trying to use semantics to back out of the argument when you were proven incorrect.

I'm using semantics, so you could understand me, cause right now you have really hard time understanding the concept that rogues are broken, you are here to prove people wrong, or create meaningless arguments and then point out that they are incorrect.
It's alright, frankly I don't care.
Yes I just read the update changelog, and I can see that hack and slash has been reworked, still cannot tell if its functioning right since update is not live yet, hoping to see realm restart soon.
I'm done, this is already falling a part, Cheers.
June 19, 2015
DarkenedHue

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Originally Posted by Leulz

I'm kind of curious how they only get 1 FM phase. They get 2 shamblings and 2 valk waves yet they only get the first FM phase and then kill it. I have never seen such a thing been done here before.

Ya it's awesome how fast LK melted in p3.

It seems like the main things that allowed that were using Bloodlust in p3 (most guilds on Warmane use that in P2 instead because of how valks are different here), as well as less DPS lost on spreading out for defile/running from Valks.
June 19, 2015
Leulz

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Originally Posted by DarkenedHue

Ya it's awesome how fast LK melted in p3.

It seems like the main things that allowed that were using Bloodlust in p3 (most guilds on Warmane use that in P2 instead because of how valks are different here), as well as less DPS lost on spreading out for defile/running from Valks.

Sometimes we BL in P2 and still barely push with 2 valk waves. These guys don't BL in P2 and push with 2 valks and then nuke him in p3 :S
We're talking with all the dps being BiS here. What's the go? Even if we do end up having 22-23(or heck, even 25) ppl in P3...there's no way we can melt the boss that fast :/
June 19, 2015
DarkenedHue

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Originally Posted by Leulz

Sometimes we BL in P2 and still barely push with 2 valk waves. These guys don't BL in P2 and push with 2 valks and then nuke him in p3 :S
We're talking with all the dps being BiS here. What's the go? Even if we do end up having 22-23(or heck, even 25) ppl in P3...there's no way we can melt the boss that fast :/

Yeah, no doubt that was some next level game-play from those guys. They even lost DPS killing Raging Spirits in P1.5, and then had the 4th one in P2.5, unlike us here on Warmane. I guess that's just what happens when you put 25 of the best players in the world together in a raid.
June 21, 2015
aryanprince

Today the most successful Warmane guild Encore (151 lod, 151 Halion) is having the main ICC25hc run. For thread sake I will take the SS on DBS and post it here. In main run we bring all class/spec in raid with exception of Enh Shaman, and everyone should be full bis. If someone would not be bis I will mention below the SS, even what part the player misses. I can post you now the main runs DPS at DBS from last week but that would not include a recent Paladin nerf.

After that we can compare current Warmane and Retail and talk. Raid time is 6PM ST. See ya later.
June 21, 2015
Sixtyninee

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Originally Posted by aryanprince

Today the most successful Warmane guild Encore (151 lod, 151 Halion) is having the main ICC25hc run. For thread sake I will take the SS on DBS and post it here. In main run we bring all class/spec in raid with exception of Enh Shaman, and everyone should be full bis. If someone would not be bis I will mention below the SS, even what part the player misses. I can post you now the main runs DPS at DBS from last week but that would not include a recent Paladin nerf.

After that we can compare current Warmane and Retail and talk. Raid time is 6PM ST. See ya later.

The argument over the best guild is surprisingly similar to the car and truck commercials, I mean it's amazing how many are #1.
June 21, 2015
aryanprince

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Originally Posted by Sixtyninee

The argument over the best guild is surprisingly similar to the car and truck commercials, I mean it's amazing how many are #1.

I said most successful, not best, which is 100% true. But I don't mind you, you are known forum troller.
June 21, 2015
Qtinz

Seeing the screenshot would be really nice, since it's a little hard to get all the information about different raid comps. and gear status out of most screenshots.
June 21, 2015
aryanprince

Ok, here it comes, this is the recount from today.

http://i.imgur.com/0SZ59iL.jpg

As you see, the differences from classes are pretty much similar to retail, with exception of Hunter topping the DPS due to Chimera Shot, Chimera Shot - Serpent and Wild Quiver double dipps.

We have Warrior>Mage>Rogue. Now, next should be Afli lock, but our lock was demo due to raid buff. Two Death Knights where not Bis, actually they are gearing but they are now almost same as Paladin damage.

Weather the average dps is Blizzlike I dont know, but relations between classes are getting better.
June 21, 2015
Jijipls

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Originally Posted by DarkenedHue

Ya it's awesome how fast LK melted in p3.

It seems like the main things that allowed that were using Bloodlust in p3 (most guilds on Warmane use that in P2 instead because of how valks are different here), as well as less DPS lost on spreading out for defile/running from Valks.

- They had 20 nearly bis DPS in that raid (3 Healers and 2 Tanks);
- Mages didn't DPS Ragings on any transition phase (they tunneled Lich King), Hunters tunneled 2nd transition too;
- They completely ignored Ragings after 2nd transition;
- They had 3 Warlocks and BL as soon as they went out of FM melting the boss (and didn't have to deal with any Viles - on Molten there are 20 waiting for you);
- They suicided 6 guys before the first Harvest Soul and ressed/reincarnated/soulstoned them to freely DPS for roughly 40 seconds while the rest of the group was inside FM (which took 2% of the boss' HP);

Of course other details count, but the above are the most impactful to help with the speedkill.
June 21, 2015
Qtinz

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Originally Posted by aryanprince

As you see, the differences from classes are pretty much similar to retail, with exception of Hunter topping the DPS due to Chimera Shot, Chimera Shot - Serpent and Wild Quiver double dipps.

We have Warrior>Mage>Rogue. Now, next should be Afli lock, but our lock was demo due to raid buff. Two Death Knights where not Bis, actually they are gearing but they are now almost same as Paladin damage.

Weather the average dps is Blizzlike I dont know, but relations between classes are getting better.

Was the tank or any other DK Blood specced? If yes, who got Hysteria? Same for TotT. Do you know?
Any clue about the length of the fight?
June 21, 2015
DarkenedHue

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Originally Posted by Jijipls

- They had 20 nearly bis DPS in that raid (3 Healers and 2 Tanks);
- Mages didn't DPS Ragings on any transition phase (they tunneled Lich King), Hunters tunneled 2nd transition too;
- They completely ignored Ragings after 2nd transition;
- They had 3 Warlocks and BL as soon as they went out of FM melting the boss (and didn't have to deal with any Viles - on Molten there are 20 waiting for you);
- They suicided 6 guys before the first Harvest Soul and ressed/reincarnated/soulstoned them to freely DPS for roughly 40 seconds while the rest of the group was inside FM (which took 2% of the boss' HP);

Of course other details count, but the above are the most impactful to help with the speedkill.

Completely missed that last point you brought up, though I noticed they weren't killing Ragings in P2. Damn. Good ****.
June 21, 2015
aryanprince

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Originally Posted by Qtinz

Was the tank or any other DK Blood specced? If yes, who got Hysteria? Same for TotT. Do you know?
Any clue about the length of the fight?

Since I used Mirror Image a second before the fight started you can calculate the fight length according to the cooldown remaining at that spell. Add 5-6 seconds to the Screenshot. As for Hysteria, I don't really know, but if anyone got it it would be warrior or hunter.
June 21, 2015
Qtinz

Calculating is a good point. Damage and DPS should do... ^^

So we have about 121 seconds of fight. Which is pretty good - definetly above average.

Due to the encounter on Warmane warriors shine here even more, since they do have much more cleave damage. So the gap between the warrior and the mage (0.8%) is a scripting "issue". Same goes for the priests as Mind Sear is a huge DPS boost and many priests use it to push DPS - correct me if they weren't using it.
This leaves the hunter. Could be just to double dips, but I would assume he got Tricks and/or Hysteria. Tricks makes a lot of sense on a hunter anyways, since the warrior over-aggros quite faster.

Overall it shows a nice - maybe not full retail like, but still more than acceptable - balance. 6 different specs in a 0.4% damage range. 19k in total; I call it RNG.
June 22, 2015
Sixtyninee

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Originally Posted by aryanprince

I said most successful, not best, which is 100% true. But I don't mind you, you are known forum troller.

How cute, I'm known now.
FYI, I didn't say that you said they're #1, I only stated the similarities between commercials and guilds.
Also, you minded enough to take the time to reply.
But I have an actual question, did that mage at 12k die or go afk?

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