#Justwarmanethings

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Originally Posted by mirmigis

Bad politicians are known for lying. Amazing ones shrewdly avoid giving answers by saying "X has been explained multiple times" and "it's not only X that you have 0 understanding of"

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I'd still not be a good politician, since I'm not being shrewd and avoiding giving answers, I'm simply not catering to the laziness involved when the answers have been given, but it takes more effort to pay attention and/or search for them than it takes to complain.

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Originally Posted by Obnoxious

I'd still not be a good politician, since I'm not being shrewd and avoiding giving answers, I'm simply not catering to the laziness involved when the answers have been given, but it takes more effort to pay attention and/or search for them than it takes to complain.

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I think that next time you're eager to give a cocky reply to a peasant like me writing a perfectly healthy thread reply you should take your time to read it a bit better. There's absolutely no complaining going on. In my long post there's only "slapping people around with blunt truth and facts" as you nicely put it.

EDIT: And rest assured, I'm always updated with the "replies" the staff gives concerning questions similar to mine

Just here to confirm that nearly every reply on this thread is *****y.

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Originally Posted by mirmigis

Very nice post! It's even worse than you think mate, it's not a wrathofthelichkingmane as you said, it's Lordaeronmane. They publically announced that no fixxes will take part in Deathwing and Ragnaros, unless they are fixxed on Lorda first. So for example, in non-Lord realms, we'll wait for very very simple game breaking fixxes, (2parts T10 mage bonus is not working for half a year) that are very close to "press fix-button" fixes, for what it seems to be years.

What I don't understand is why is Warmane trashing its loyal community, which combined, costs them less money and makes far more profit than Lorda ever will. All this to make a realm that is spiking to 6k active, while Deathwing-Ragnaros-Nelth-Frostwolf combined spike to double the population. I understand that the server has a goal, the goal to make the most complete blizz-like WotLK realm, but this goal won't take place if the community that makes 12k active disappears.

When I ever asked the question: "Why do we still play on Warmane?" I get the same answer every time. Each and every one of you would reply the same thing "Because we have everything here, things that we can't give up to". NO-ONE ever gives me the answer: "Cause it's a good/great server" or "Cause the staff is great and they're trying". I know that you see us as monkeys that just grumble and complain, I know that I probably have zero understanding of how your profits are divided, what realm makes the most money and what project will, but my monkey-brain is enough to understand that you are killing the server profit-wise.

I'm really sad that we can't take the step to move to another, better scripted server, and by "we" I mean the HUGE part of the community that was already disappointed from you when we saw that post-moltdown you reached up to 10% of the promises you made, and then disappointed them even more when we realised how important Lordaeron now is, and how "left-aside" rest of the realms will be. Only reason while you don't have a rival server that can compete you is cause none of them has loyal communities, cause everyone is technically here. And because we are here already, we are too lazy to start over and make new beginnings.

I said what I said speaking on behalf of most of the people I interract in-game (and I do interract with hundreds of people) and I know they're truth. It took me a long time to type it so I'd appreciate to see it not deleted.
I'm sorry Aimp for high jacking your thread in order to make this reply, but I think it's very related and I think that you might agree with me.

P.S: Sorry if I'm out of topic, I'm currently at work and I didn't have time to read 5 pages (but I had time to write this huge post lol pls no judge)

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You were correct in the complaining and not-understanding part. Allow me to educate you and without shame pontificate perhaps everyone else in this thread with a quick and a blunt explanation. I will not hold back, not for a moment, in order to make you understand this.

First, Wrath of the Lich King realms. The core is outdated and putting fixes into it would be classified as nearly a waste of time because it fades in comparison with our new Lordaeron core. Our development team is working very hard to get to a point where they'll be able to port the entire core without making the other realms lose out on content. We'll do this as earliest as possible.

Secondly, Frostwolf and MoP. First of all to say that our team is not doing anything would be just plainly wrong. The MoP realm receives more fixes than any other private server of the same expansion on the scene. That is a fact and if you don't believe take a look at here.

Also, MoP is a relatively fresh expansion. You have to consider that WoTLK is 7 years old and that tens of thousands of hours and countless individuals have provided their heart and soul into making it playable and enjoyable. 7 years. We've been running this expansion for a very short time and our team has managed to pump so much content in it that it's incredible and it is not to be underestimated. We will continue to work on the expansion and anyone who says that we have not worked is ignorant of the 14 big updates that we did in this year.

5.4.8 is coming and with it further improvements and finally porting older content. If anyone think this is just a copy-paste, they're deadly wrong.

Now to make this clear, we understand the frustration. It's not easy to face bugs and think that someone doesn't care. It's also not easy to be on the other side of the stage and know how something that might look easy to the community is hard to fix. It is also important to understand how much effort it takes just to keep the thing alive and stable with performance optimizations, crashfixes, exploit fixes and so many things that are not visible players that easily.

Do understand that this little crowd of 50 people is managing to deliver content and support that is good enough to compare to that one of the company that is a multi-billion dollar company with thousands of people working for it. We're doing our best and will continue to do so, whether we are spat on or praised.

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Originally Posted by Proterean

You were correct in the complaining and not-understanding part. Allow me to educate you and without shame pontificate perhaps everyone else in this thread with a quick and a blunt explanation. I will not hold back, not for a moment, in order to make you understand this.

First, Wrath of the Lich King realms. The core is outdated and putting fixes into it would be classified as nearly a waste of time because it fades in comparison with our new Lordaeron core. Our development team is working very hard to get to a point where they'll be able to port the entire core without making the other realms lose out on content. We'll do this as earliest as possible.

Secondly, Frostwolf and MoP. First of all to say that our team is not doing anything would be just plainly wrong. The MoP realm receives more fixes than any other private server of the same expansion on the scene. That is a fact and if you don't believe take a look at here.

Also, MoP is a relatively fresh expansion. You have to consider that WoTLK is 7 years old and that tens of thousands of hours and countless individuals have provided their heart and soul into making it playable and enjoyable. 7 years. We've been running this expansion for a very short time and our team has managed to pump so much content in it that it's incredible and it is not to be underestimated. We will continue to work on the expansion and anyone who says that we have not worked is ignorant of the 14 big updates that we did in this year.

5.4.8 is coming and with it further improvements and finally porting older content. If anyone think this is just a copy-paste, they're deadly wrong.

Now to make this clear, we understand the frustration. It's not easy to face bugs and think that someone doesn't care. It's also not easy to be on the other side of the stage and know how something that might look easy to the community is hard to fix. It is also important to understand how much effort it takes just to keep the thing alive and stable with performance optimizations, crashfixes, exploit fixes and so many things that are not visible players that easily.

Do understand that this little crowd of 50 people is managing to deliver content and support that is good enough to compare to that one of the company that is a multi-billion dollar company with thousands of people working for it. We're doing our best and will continue to do so, whether we are spat on or praised.

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Maybe if the staff stopped being so arrogant and cared to listen to what the community wants, that would be a great start. After all that was the promise made to us after Moltdown.

Instead, we are given fixes to things a large percentage of the population will never take part in. Rather than fix a few more battlegrounds, and class fixes, the devs continue to focus on SoO.

If they could fix a boss every week, then sure, we would all wait. But currently it takes a month to get a boss out, and you can't seriously tell me that they can't fix a battleground in a single month.

So rather than focus on content that matters to well over 75% of the population (believe it or not, PvE players like to play BGs too), we continue to focus on SoO, and heroic mode raids (which no pug group will clear). Classes are still in a miserable stage, so arenas are terrible too (I reported a major exploit, which the current "top" players are abusing to the full extent, and it still isn't fixed). The message to the PvP community is to **** off because we won't get anything until 2016.

Better yet, the current highest rated bug on the bugtracker that isn't fixed hasn't even been looked into. I'll let you venture a guess as to why that is.

The message being sent is very clear indeed. If you aren't playing on Lordaeron, don't play here for the next few months. If you do PvP on MoP, don't play here for a year.

But hey, at least you guys don't ban for even the smallest thing. That's certainly an improvement over what Molten stood for.

As someone that was very loyal, and brought a lot of friends here (many of whom have donated astronomical amounts), I am thoroughly disappointed with both the direction of the server, as well as the attitude towards those not playing on Lordaeron.

atleat mop gets tommorow finally an update ...but as always the cata players are ****ed ....oh wait we get "soon" that old content ....

u could just close neltharion, give every1 their coins back and we are all happy but nope .... alot of people are "stuck" there ><

if u check the dev log entries for nelth as player u start to think if the warmane staff is joking with us :S

thats not an attack against the staff...but neltharion could really need some attention (we got some huge bugs atm :S)

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Originally Posted by XxNotoriousxX

Maybe if the staff stopped being so arrogant and cared to listen to what the community wants, that would be a great start. After all that was the promise made to us after Moltdown.

Instead, we are given fixes to things a large percentage of the population will never take part in. Rather than fix a few more battlegrounds, and class fixes, the devs continue to focus on SoO.

If they could fix a boss every week, then sure, we would all wait. But currently it takes a month to get a boss out, and you can't seriously tell me that they can't fix a battleground in a single month.

So rather than focus on content that matters to well over 75% of the population (believe it or not, PvE players like to play BGs too), we continue to focus on SoO, and heroic mode raids (which no pug group will clear). Classes are still in a miserable stage, so arenas are terrible too (I reported a major exploit, which the current "top" players are abusing to the full extent, and it still isn't fixed). The message to the PvP community is to **** off because we won't get anything until 2016.

Better yet, the current highest rated bug on the bugtracker that isn't fixed hasn't even been looked into. I'll let you venture a guess as to why that is.

The message being sent is very clear indeed. If you aren't playing on Lordaeron, don't play here for the next few months. If you do PvP on MoP, don't play here for a year.

But hey, at least you guys don't ban for even the smallest thing. That's certainly an improvement over what Molten stood for.

As someone that was very loyal, and brought a lot of friends here (many of whom have donated astronomical amounts), I am thoroughly disappointed with both the direction of the server, as well as the attitude towards those not playing on Lordaeron.

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First of all, I don't think calling Warmane staff arrogant or accusing them of not listening to players is going to help here. I mean, multiple moderators have already posted in this thread. Shouldn't that be proof enough that what you say about them not listening is entirely false?
They are listening, and not only that, they are responding... directly to YOU.

You seem to have completely ignored most of the points Proterean touched on in his post.

I'm reminded of a different post I've seen here where a dev was describing how resources are moved around. The focus may be on WotLK at the moment, but there's no reason why this won't change in the future. Others have pointed out that WotLK was neglected for an extensive period of time prior to the announcement/release of Lordaeron.

I get that it's hard to be patient when you've already waited so long, but that's just the nature of these things. This stuff isn't easy; it's very complex and it takes lots of time and effort.

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Originally Posted by namesftw

atleat mop gets tommorow finally an update ...but as always the cata players are ****ed ....oh wait we get "soon" that old content ....

u could just close neltharion, give every1 their coins back and we are all happy but nope .... alot of people are "stuck" there ><

if u check the dev log entries for nelth as player u start to think if the warmane staff is joking with us :S

thats not an attack against the staff...but neltharion could really need some attention (we got some huge bugs atm :S)

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No we dont want that. A lot of us enjoy the content on cataclysm. Believe it or not cata has a lot of stuff working well. Dragon soul hc content released, working firelands. Sure not every dungeon works and there are bugs here and there but cata is arguably in a lot better shape than the other expansions already. This is coming from somoene who plays very much on neltharion

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Originally Posted by Charmanda

No we dont want that. A lot of us enjoy the content on cataclysm. Believe it or not cata has a lot of stuff working well. Dragon soul hc content released, working firelands. Sure not every dungeon works and there are bugs here and there but cata is arguably in a lot better shape than the other expansions already. This is coming from somoene who plays very much on neltharion

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i play only on neltharion atm (got some toons on dw/ragna and frost also but not playing them atm)
and in my opinion cata is the worst expansion (i know mop has way more bugs/not scripted raids etc. but mop is a year old and cata i think 3+ years )
so yea i think cata deservers a bit more attention ....
we didnt got class fixes for months + they just crashed our marketplace because we can obtain it ingame (something that we cant because old raids/dungeons arent working , and yea i know we get the content soon....)
every1 that says cata is in a good shape is just lying to him/her self i u ask me ...

Cataclysm is way older then MOP (speaking of the release on warmane not retail) and has like mop a huge amount of critical bugs :S

and i think notorious is right , alot of the staff members are arrogant and unfriendly (NOT ALL !! and especially NOT proterean because i once met him ingame and it was awesome :P).

i know that the staff has better things to do then responding in the forum to every single post , but a q/a stream every month (for an hour or two ) would change alot.

atm people are calling warmane --- wardearon --- and stuff like that just because the majority thinks warmane just dont care about other expacs ...

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Originally Posted by Charmanda

No we dont want that. A lot of us enjoy the content on cataclysm. Believe it or not cata has a lot of stuff working well. Dragon soul hc content released, working firelands. Sure not every dungeon works and there are bugs here and there but cata is arguably in a lot better shape than the other expansions already. This is coming from somoene who plays very much on neltharion

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Thing is Charmanda, A lot of the "Working content" is not working at all, There's even fix that devs said were working on a Cata Test server. Just that they weren't applied yet, And we're talking about MONTHS past. we're basically talking about the lack of someone actually getting those fixes (As we were told they were already fixed) from the test server to Live.

That lack of attention, that carefree feeling we get when we don't see any progress at all. When urgent fixes not only take ages to be aknowledge by the people responsible of the Bugtracker, is what sparks the discontent (mine included).

Regarding Staff being arrogants or unfriendly.

Just recently I had my share of being <silenced>, so yeah they do exist, But I also know there are more good Staff that even things out. Still This is needed to be said.

When you're holding a position of Moderation or Public handling, you need to know that Everyday (And by that I mean EVERYDAY) you'll have people asking the same thing, Over and over again. And when people cry out on the forums, Any staff calling them out as Lazy (This one is really ironic), arrogants, or any adjective. Let me remind you. you represent the company serving us the clients, Being plain out hostile doesn't help either.
This happens everywhere, But other than that. The hostility I’ve seen here sometimes… Is really uncalled for.
At least that's what I've learned on 13 years of giving service to general public. Not everyone is savy, not everyone will know where the “answers” are.

First i must advice you all to take screenshot on important things that happening here, believe it or not warmane staff tend to delete or edit something they don't like.

And second am i the only one that feels warmane just going down hill after reboot/ motldown? they redo the whole point shop because they don't the way we get our vote point, they can just simply make things like old days click the website and enter chaptcha, without touching the vote shop item itself. Now look WOLTK player can get 272 ilevel gear in vote shop while on MOP you can only get 476 the lowest purple item [excluding 440 purple item from rare NPC].

272 drop from Icecrown Citadel heroic, equal Fireland Heroic on Cata and Throne of Thunder on Mop
476 drop from dungeon Heroic on MOP and worse they have drop rate 0,1% chance yes its like hunting for mount + the price is outrageous.
They should have make Fireland gear at least on normal and Throne of Thunder available on vote shop to match WOLTK.
I feel that they are using Lordaeron as an excuses to get away from things they can't fix, WOLTK is the oldest expan on molten/warmane its more than 8 years old, and as you can see the devlog is full of Lordaeron plan.

It may sounds like im repeating myself over and over again but why they abandon phasing and lore? script molten front please and twilight highland phasing on cata its been 3 years, krassang wild horde and ally base is missing please fix the chain quest and phasing there. Uncle Gao in stormstout brewery is missing he can't summon the last boss, that dungeon filled with 'Target not in line of sight' Bug, i see you gonna fix last boss on gate of setting sun i hope you keep can keep your word.

Last time i make thread asking them to close stormstout brewery and gate of setting sun because last boss not spawn and people with high ilevel will instant leave while the low ilevel need JP, and they delete the thread, so this time im gonna take screenshot. Im sure this comment with be deleted.

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Originally Posted by XxNotoriousxX

Maybe if the staff stopped being so arrogant and cared to listen to what the community wants, that would be a great start. After all that was the promise made to us after Moltdown.

Instead, we are given fixes to things a large percentage of the population will never take part in. Rather than fix a few more battlegrounds, and class fixes, the devs continue to focus on SoO.

If they could fix a boss every week, then sure, we would all wait. But currently it takes a month to get a boss out, and you can't seriously tell me that they can't fix a battleground in a single month.

So rather than focus on content that matters to well over 75% of the population (believe it or not, PvE players like to play BGs too), we continue to focus on SoO, and heroic mode raids (which no pug group will clear). Classes are still in a miserable stage, so arenas are terrible too (I reported a major exploit, which the current "top" players are abusing to the full extent, and it still isn't fixed). The message to the PvP community is to **** off because we won't get anything until 2016.

Better yet, the current highest rated bug on the bugtracker that isn't fixed hasn't even been looked into. I'll let you venture a guess as to why that is.

The message being sent is very clear indeed. If you aren't playing on Lordaeron, don't play here for the next few months. If you do PvP on MoP, don't play here for a year.

But hey, at least you guys don't ban for even the smallest thing. That's certainly an improvement over what Molten stood for.

As someone that was very loyal, and brought a lot of friends here (many of whom have donated astronomical amounts), I am thoroughly disappointed with both the direction of the server, as well as the attitude towards those not playing on Lordaeron.

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Ikr? PvE stuff that i dont give af about personally because i hate PvE design in mop, at least i hate the damn dungeons. We were stuck with 3 bgs for 8 months then they added like 2 more bgs and we're stuck with them again till new year i guess.
My eyes start to bleed that i get EoTs 10 times in a row, WSG 20 times in a row. I just dont feel like.. doint anything in MoP. No wonder ppl get bored, theres no content , 0 , almost.

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Originally Posted by Synx7

WSG 20 times in a row.

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Seriously, go to hell. Do you know what the people on wotlk would give for maybe 2 wsg queues in an entire day?

So basically they are saying that Lordaeron is being given more attention because they want to create an overall better core. One that they can port over to other expansions and make the process of resolving bugs/exploits/etc more streamlined. And you know what? That is FINE. We aren't complaining about that at all, we like to see progress. But what about all that time before Lordaeron was even on the table?

Kind-of-Off-topic: The pets on Warsong don't get bugged and stand in place when entering combat anymore, and I don't remember a recent maintenance. Kind of strange but hey, that's a big +++.

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Originally Posted by YelowFlash

First i must advice you all to take screenshot on important things that happening here, believe it or not warmane staff tend to delete or edit something they don't like.
And second am i the only one that feels warmane just going down hill after reboot/ motldown? they redo the whole point shop because they don't the way we get our vote point, they can just simply make things like old days click.

.................................................. .........so this time im gonna take screenshot. Im sure this comment with be deleted.

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No, we don't edit out. We delete when people like you make accusations without any kind of proof just for the pleasure of accusing. Most likely to gather people to play in whatever server you play on. That's very, very low. But we are sorting it swiftly. You just want something to complain about. My bet is that you want to bring such screenshots to post in another server forums (Look what they do when faced with truth!).

I should indeed delete this specific post of yours, because we really don't need unconstructive criticism or complaints about something that is already being discussed in another thread. It seems it has become a trend of users who say "I bet this post will be deleted" or "I bet i will be banned". Well, let me tell you something important: Reverse Psychology doesn't work here, so, either you start being constructive or you will win the bet. Friendly advice.