Thoughts on server

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Originally Posted by Qulx

Rets, should NOT have 2 set. in pvp, even on retail there werent that many ppl with it. maybe with raid finder version, but thats it.

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Do you know how easy it is to do dragon soul? 397 gear would be the most as PvPers wouldn't have the time to do heroic DS unless they joined a PvE guild which would result in them losing a lot of time doing PvP. Obtaining 397 gear from a PvP guild is a wall in the park maybe too many people have 410 but the stats from 397 to 410 isn't too much

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Originally Posted by Qulx

If you are a good pvp player, you will never have any problem with the PvE taken away from you, since you can perform without it aswell anyway. But it seems you can't. Full pvp vs full pvp is when true skills starts to matter. When a rogue can destroy your enemy by sick cc instead of just lame *** damage.

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Well from my understanding you need to stop acting like this is a PvP only game, anyone can get gear doing DS easily it's not a challenge, I've has a discussion with a guild mate about this and if an enemy were to bring a 4 set Spriest with rath + cunning he/she would be the 1st person down. With the damage there is a trade off in survivability, I know Berzer uses 7-8 PvE pieces with 4 set and says he "1 shots" people but if you get a disc to dispell all his stuff he's useless and can be taken out very easily. Same thing can be said about a hunter I use 3.4k resil if 2 people CC lock and burst me down il die however I may survive with 4.8k resil even though that's only a 10% increase in resil.

Rogues have extremely good survivability, regardless if they are full cata or have 5 PvE pieces you can't blame PvE for that.

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Originally Posted by ElderGodTdot

Do you know how easy it is to do dragon soul? 397 gear would be the most as PvPers wouldn't have the time to do heroic DS unless they joined a PvE guild which would result in them losing a lot of time doing PvP. Obtaining 397 gear from a PvP guild is a wall in the park maybe too many people have 410 but the stats from 397 to 410 isn't too much



Well from my understanding you need to stop acting like this is a PvP only game, anyone can get gear doing DS easily it's not a challenge, I've has a discussion with a guild mate about this and if an enemy were to bring a 4 set Spriest with rath + cunning he/she would be the 1st person down. With the damage there is a trade off in survivability, I know Berzer uses 7-8 PvE pieces with 4 set and says he "1 shots" people but if you get a disc to dispell all his stuff he's useless and can be taken out very easily. Same thing can be said about a hunter I use 3.4k resil if 2 people CC lock and burst me down il die however I may survive with 4.8k resil even though that's only a 10% increase in resil.

Rogues have extremely good survivability, regardless if they are full cata or have 5 PvE pieces you can't blame PvE for that.

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You're missing the point of Qulx, his idea is to not let people use PvE gear for arenas, people can still get it but not use it on arenas.
Plus, isn't the fact if its easy or hard to get PvE items, its how stronger some classes get than others.

I suppose I can support the idea of Qulx and Bakura of no pve in pvp if I get back every dollar I donated. Not in coins either in money please.

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Originally Posted by Conmor

I suppose I can support the idea of Qulx and Bakura of no pve in pvp if I get back every dollar I donated. Not in coins either in money please.

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Lol money refund wouldnt be considered for 1 second.. Literally.

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Originally Posted by Gorinkax

Lol money refund wouldnt be considered for 1 second.. Literally.

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I understand this, hence why i'm here defending pve gear. Because money refund won't be considered neither will a pve gear ban be. So i'm actually not sure why people are crying over it like spilled milk.

No, i actually like that there is PvE items just because it sustains the server, but I agree that PvP only will make a lot of players getting down >_>

yeah, the only thing i would really like is to remove the amount of PvE from Arena. Use them in battlegrounds as much as you want, that's fun and you will not "lose" your PvE stuff. I have always managed my way in Arenas and i think im not THAT bad. I just think that most players that enjoy arenas, would enjoy clean full PvP. Imagine facing a thug, and beeing able to survive their opener without blowing EVERYTHING right away.

We d just enjoy PvP the way it was supposed to be :)

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Originally Posted by Qulx

Imagine facing a thug, and beeing able to survive their opener without blowing EVERYTHING right away.

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Sweet dreams are made of this.

Oh also i'd love to be able to survive a rets hoj without trinket... ;.;

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Originally Posted by Conmor

I understand this, hence why i'm here defending pve gear. Because money refund won't be considered neither will a pve gear ban be. So i'm actually not sure why people are crying over it like spilled milk.

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Hmm yeah considering money ofc it 's true. But as i said earlier, Cata is a sinking ship. And everyone that wanted PvE stuff already has it or got it through raiding.
Removing PvE from Arenas would make arenas more popular. alot. And if you get new players (and also old ones) to play serious arenas again, they will all donate elite weapons.
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money money money for warmane
i suppose

Personally, I believe it's sinking because of no one working on the god damn server. Imagine if all dugeons were fixed all cata raids good most quests working all cata zones working at least 50% for the arena group dalaran is back most class bugs get fixed. I bet at least 1000 people would come back as returning or new players.

This server generates (or used to untill they said **** cata for a year) a profit for them but they chose to let it sink in favor of lord. Maybe in the long term this is the correct decision, I don't know, but I don't see why they have to choose.

i m not 100% sure about it, but i think there would be many many players interested in better pvp and lots of ppl returning to pvp that did stop playing because of the current arena situation. (3s dead, 2s 100% imbalanced)

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Originally Posted by BakuraLord

but heeeey... what about that Vial aaanh? >_>

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Must have forgotten it equipped since my last year's raid :>

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Originally Posted by Qulx

Hmm yeah considering money ofc it 's true. But as i said earlier, Cata is a sinking ship. And everyone that wanted PvE stuff already has it or got it through raiding.
Removing PvE from Arenas would make arenas more popular. alot. And if you get new players (and also old ones) to play serious arenas again, they will all donate elite weapons.
=
money money money for warmane
i suppose

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In all honesty I believe the root of the problem is the fact that people can get titles from 2's and also non R1 Glad titles are permanent. It means people don't have to try 3's where there is balance and can just faceroll comp in 2's, get Rival/Challenger/Glad etc and never need to queue serious again. Guarantee if they removed titles from 2's, wiped all titles that aren't seasonal glads and made the titles gotten in the future temporary then PvP would pick up and 3's queues would be a thing. It would also reduce the amount of PvE gear worn too, because stacking PvE gear in 3's as we all know is ******ed adn the fastest way to get yourself killed.

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Originally Posted by Simplicity

Must have forgotten it equipped since my last year's raid :>

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Meh, Vial of shadows is super OP for PvP so I don't see the reason to not use it :p

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Originally Posted by Gutray

In all honesty I believe the root of the problem is the fact that people can get titles from 2's and also non R1 Glad titles are permanent. It means people don't have to try 3's where there is balance and can just faceroll comp in 2's, get Rival/Challenger/Glad etc and never need to queue serious again. Guarantee if they removed titles from 2's, wiped all titles that aren't seasonal glads and made the titles gotten in the future temporary then PvP would pick up and 3's queues would be a thing. It would also reduce the amount of PvE gear worn too, because stacking PvE gear in 3's as we all know is ******ed adn the fastest way to get yourself killed.

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No man, 3v3 would never be a "thing" in this server. Removing titles from 2s wouldn't change anything at all since 2s here can even be more competitive than 3s and you know why? Because people are able to get rival titles with rating between 1600-1800 and all they have to do is to spam "Queue 3v3 , cmon guys its just for fun" when then they make few arenas and they get a surprise in the end of the season: "Oh what is this? a Tittle? damn, I'm super good now"