[Guide] Advanced Subtlety Guide by Qu

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Originally Posted by Zahen

Should i put +20 armor penetration rating, on all my gear? Even on daggers?

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If necessary, of course

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Originally Posted by Zahen

BTW, i talked with other rogue and he said that ArP is not useful against cloth/leather geared players and that AP stacking would be better. My question is rogues benefit anything from ArP stacking against cloth/leather or nothing?

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Actually, the best way is to have 2 pvp sets, one arp gemmed, another AP gemed and you can switch them.. But well I did my own tests and Im pretty sure that arp is way much better then AP stacking... Of course AP is more useful against cloth / leather but vs plate Its pain. Its possible to beat plate with ap stacking, but its much harder then with ARP

Arp is still good against cloths tho I noticed its not as effective against resil stackers(1300+) and those druids since they insta bear when they see us.

The problem is someone said i need around 700 ArP, but i can't get it with PVP gear even with gems, and i don't do a lot of PVE to have armor pieces with ArP so i think i won't be able to benefit much of ArP as i would with AP, or im wrong?

Not a Bad guide for WOTLK SUb rogue on this server and all his Bug's like Honor among thivs needing 1 point to get the fulll 100% chance to get Cp if it's a crit.

I would also recomend Losing the Ceath Death talent and go for something else.

and i don't know if anyone mention it and i was too lazy to read all the other people posts but in WOTLK Cheap Shot and Kidney Shot don't have a diminishing return. KS has one with every other stun . CS only with itself

Rogue can use shadowstep while in root? (3.3.5a ofc )

......nope....

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Originally Posted by Bl4ckM3t4lz

Rogue can use shadowstep while in root? (3.3.5a ofc )

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Not anymore, they fixed it :)

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Finally after few months I updated whole GUIDE. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or just write here in topic. Enjoy :)

Awesome; thanks for the continued support of this class and spec in 3.3.5.

Nice guide! Really helped me! :P

Rogues are the best class of all time.

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Originally Posted by IzzyData

Rogues are the best class of all time.

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Yo <class name here> I'm real happy for you and ima let you finish, but rogue is the best class of all time.


OF ALL TIME.
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Originally Posted by Sunbright

Yo <class name here> I'm real happy for you and ima let you finish, but rogue is the best class of all time.


OF ALL TIME.
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ROGUE IS FKIN BEST CLASS OF ALL TIME !!! I heard

I'm kind of new to playing rogues, and I'm curious, in both your CP building tree and your Bleeding tree, you never add to Master of Subtlety. Is it a lackluster talent or something?

I would recomment this build for bgs at least. No ruthlessness because you dont want to fight for any longer periods of time, you wont have energy for it anyway. Heightened senses is a cool talent but again, you dont want ppl attacking you anyway... Can be taken for stealth detection though, but meh... Lethality can be removed too but I like my backstab crits more than other options.

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Originally Posted by xaechireon

I'm kind of new to playing rogues, and I'm curious, in both your CP building tree and your Bleeding tree, you never add to Master of Subtlety. Is it a lackluster talent or something?

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I would take it. +10% dmg when you trying to burst someone down is a lot, and sub has a nice burst.

nice guide.
i dont get this thing, doesnt Agility give 2 Attack Power per point + crit/dodge?
if so why gem pure Attack Power?