Is this really good for the rep of the community much less the server?

I been here over 4 yrs total and i feel like i pretty much seen it all when it comes to the on goings of players ect.. But one thing i have noticed and to me its not good.

Granted the economy use to be pretty screwed up, people with millions of gold ect. walking around. Hell i had over 4.5 mil myself at one point.. BUT..the point i am trying to make is that the staff has "tried" to correct the economy which is in theory a good idea. The thing is though by making the drops low, gold harder to make (not to bad if ya got professions and know what your doing) this has moved greed to a whole other level. Now 8 out of 10 raids.. you get reserve.. reserve.. reserve.. reserve... unless its a guild run and even then i seen reserve come into play. Scammers, well we all know they have always existed but now more so then ever. All of this is ripple effects of trying to have a "stable" economy. To me, i wish the drop rates would go back up, gold easy as crap to come by like before. This cuts down on the reserve crap and scammers, not to mention making it easier for people to get gear and such. If you need the ashen rep go do icc rep runs, but yea.. still pretty much forced to to it EVEN THOUGH 95% of the time any boe is RESERVED which is stupid cause if you have a tank that can actually use it he can't get it and is forced to stay maybe with a blue or even worse a greenie simply because some douchbag wants it to sell in the ah.

Before, i didnt care to pay 200k for a piece of gear cause gold was easy to make... now that same piece of gear you might can get for 45k but the ripple effects of being able to do this is all that i mentioned above. People in the community are already aggravated over the gold situation then to top it all off now 100% more reserve and scammers. Granted that some can still build up gold but not like before, BUT the majority cant. If nothing else the i think the drop rates should be raised some. When trying to make the economy stable making everything a rare drop and making gold harder to make isnt the solution. There has to be a nice balance.. a sweet spot if you will to make it stable across the board.

Everyone can't donate full bis and they rely on being able to gear in game (like your supposed too) but now .. even fos and pos has ninjas and reserver sometimes , really, really reserve or ninja pos that alone speaks volumes. Myself i have 1 full bis toon atm and a ton of alts i am gearing up legit and i can tell you now coming from an experienced player that these ripple effects all but make you wanna quit when playing now.

Just my take on it all guys and i realize everyone has their own opinion, whats yours?

My friend , there are some things really obvious and trust me the majority knows if not all , now what is done about it is a different story and a question i cannot answer. i do not bare an opinion over your subject specific but , the decisions are made by the people above , we dont have a saying in this and we will never be heard , its their server after all , some hours ago i made a complain similar to yours and it was deleted of course. Best thing is to just shut up , noone cares sooner you realise sooner you cope with it.

More of my take on the situation then a complaint really but i can understand your point of view. I just feel like more consideration should be used and the whole picture looked at by staff before making changes. Some changes need to be made and I realize that, but making changes without considering the full overall effect on the community and server, well thats not good. Everyone is already dealing with starting over, more grief on top of that might not only hurt the community but the server itself. Having hard issues to deal with such as hackers ect probably keeps the staff busy enough, but this situation can actually be dealt with if the higher ups would just take the time to look at it as a "whole" rather then just at the gold level.

Or, instead of complaining about people reserving items, spend YOUR two hours creating a semi capable group that you know more than likely won't complete the whole raid, and then when something you really want/need drops, it goes to someone who is horrible who will never even come close to using it to its potential.

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Originally Posted by jake1124

Or, instead of complaining about people reserving items, spend YOUR two hours creating a semi capable group that you know more than likely won't complete the whole raid, and then when something you really want/need drops, it goes to someone who is horrible who will never even come close to using it to its potential.

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Thats why there is such a thing as being able to roll for gear and MS and OS rolls. I am sure at one point you was "horrible" when you first started playing, imagine if all the raids and instances did that to you UNTIL you mastered your class, THEN allowed you to get that piece of gear. Probably be a different story if the shoe was on the other foot, just sayin.. :)

It's extremely easy to level professions and once you're at max level it's extremely easy to make a lot of gold with them once you know what you're doing. You yourself admitted that, OP. So they should design the game around people who don't bother to learn how to play it?

I've got an herbalism-alchemy druid. I know where to find the sweet herb spots, and I know what flasks and potions to make that sell for a good price on the auction house. It took me maybe a single night to figure both of these things out. Now I have no gold issues on any of my characters.

Warmane not selling gold after the Motldown is one of the things that has given me renewed faith in the server. A real economy where you have to work for stuff is so important, especially for an old expansion server where there's often not a lot of stuff to do. Professions give you something to do.

I think they've handled this very well.

I agree, overall they've did a pretty good job at handling it.. One of my main points though is the fact that gold being harder to make for "most" just creates more ninjas and raid reserves then before for the ones that wanna make quick gold in the ah. You will always have individuals that ninja and reserve, its just been brought to a whole new level now. A lot of people try to work on their gearing and then professions afterwards. Just makes it harder on people to gear up with it the way it is now. Me i have no gold issues either and am fully geared myself. I help a lot of people on this server and everything i said they have pretty much stated to me as well. 4 of 7 pos normal runs had someone in the group that took a piece of gear they couldnt even use.. just to wear and increase their gs lol. Stuff like this was pretty rare back before the wipe. A warrior with mail chest piece with spellpower.... lawl

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Originally Posted by TEREX

Thats why there is such a thing as being able to roll for gear and MS and OS rolls. I am sure at one point you was "horrible" when you first started playing, imagine if all the raids and instances did that to you UNTIL you mastered your class, THEN allowed you to get that piece of gear. Probably be a different story if the shoe was on the other foot, just sayin.. :)

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I wouldn't even allow you into my raid if i had even so much as a suspicion that you were just average at best.
This has been discusses time and time again,and the only real solution and proper answer is the same thing - make your own raid,and you can do as you please.
Reservations are announced beforehand,typically when the person in question is making the raid,if you got a problem with that,don't join the raid,if you say ''well almost all the raids are doing it'' then make your own raid,or even better,stop being a PUG and join a proper raiding guild,if there is none,change your realm,if you don't have the time for a raid guild - quit the game,and go for single-player RPG.
This is beyond sad that there are people who actually complain about it.
If i was the guy who is forming a raid,spending who knows how many hours sipping through the **** till i find someone actually worth taking,i damn sure gona reserve whatever item i please,in fact i'd do it even if i didn't need anything just so at the end of the day there's no chance that after i put all that time into forming the raid,i don't end up leaving with nothing.

Economy in wow was never meant to be an easy thing to manage,and raids were initially intended only for guilds,sadly after WotlK and Blizzard's reimagined raid designs that made most bosses beyond easy,gave way to PuGs. And this is where we are now,a bunch of whiny brats crying about someone who took his time managing 10-25 randoms,that this guy has the audacity to reserve an item for him self. Pathetic.
I've never joined random PuG raids,and never will no matter how easy or hard they are,when time will come when i can't raid anymore due to time limits,i'll just quit the game,but i won't go about crying that PuGs are being unfair to....other PuGs.
Cuz that's what you are,a random,a spot filler,a PuG,you aren't important in any shape or form,you aren't entitled to anything,if you want to switch your position,make your own raid.

(i) Prices are relative.*
(ii) Gold and drop rates have little correlation.**
(iii) Current gold rates are fine.
(iv) Current drop rates are fine, too even tho they`re kinda low. They`re still more than fine compared to vanilla 1x drop rates, so deal with it.
(v) Most drop BoEs are rather horrible.***
(vi) Access to most resources, including gold, is constrained by time only.****

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*Imagine you earning, lets say 10k per hour. An average item will cost 1k, which means that you`ll be able to afford 6 items per hour. Now, imagine it`s 100k per hour, and an average item cost of 10k. Result`s the same. (Actually not quite because there are critical items and services from vendors, which is command economy; but for the most parts, this is true)
**Gold is (mainly) mined from hard mob drops, quest rewards, and the vendoring of grey and white items which are dropping aplenty. Seldom will you vendor uncommon or more rare items to mine gold, it is usually more cost efficient to process them in some form (disenchanting them, for instance)
***Many a BoE isn`t really useful when you`ve got an 251 or so item already. Many of them have either suboptimal stats and/or Hit which is pretty abundant with 264 gear. They tend to be more useful to players who are yet to have a set of 251 or superior gear, where they can make more use of these stats.
****You can mine (farm) a lot of stuff from instanced areas. You can reset and thus respawn those pretty much at your leisure, thus making your mining rate only constrained by the time you`ve to spend to actually mine them (killing mobs, usually).

I respect you guys opinions even though i dont agree with it.

And to say again, I wasn't "complaining" about anything just stating facts and what I have noticed now compared to before the wipe.

@Avitus : Goodluck with your train of thought on this.. /facepalm

Thanks again to you guys that took the time to post in this thread, and to the staff members for their hard work. Hopefully in time everything will work itself out.

People that reserve items are greedy scumbags. Just because you are raid leader doesnt mean you have more right to an item than anyone else. But regardless there are enough people that are used to it already and join anyways. Especially players that reserve boes that drop from bosses, in icc, when theres people in the raid that need the same item for their main spec. Its sick but I guess its a reflection of life in the real world where everything gets destroyed because of greed.
Stop complying to their demands. So stop joining their raids its all you can do.

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blah blah bunch of elitist bs.

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Most dumb **** I have ever read. So because you lead a raid, because you spam the global chat, YOU are entitled to anything? Why? Because your fingers hurt? But you're probably american and therefore mad your ideology and greedy capitalist ways are being exposed for what it is, greed. The bosses killed are still a group effort, therefore even if you're raid leader ur not entitled to ****.
This problem is deeper than world of warcraft. Greed is what makes this planet a ****hole where evryone tries to kill eachother.
Reserving items defeats the whole purpose of this game, sometimes you get an item, sometimes you dont get anything. A large part of the fun is seeing an item drop and rolling for it because youve been after it for a while, and winning it. Reserving it destroys the fun for everybody else.

So lets turn your conclusion around and lets say, if you cant deal with not getting any items from a raid, dont make a damn raid. Because thats what everyone has to deal with from time to time, and just because you found the players, doesnt mean you deserve it. Thats not how the world works. Or should work.

You think leading a raid is something only special people can do? Only super intelligent people who play wow for 10 years? I mean seriously I can only lmao at your post and lmao at people who act like world of warcraft is super secret rocket science lol.
I lead raids all the time, I dont reserve anything. The result is a much better friendly atmosphere, which results in more fun. Because fun thats what a video game is about. Sad part is people like you will always exist, and nothing will change that unless the good people make it as hard as possible.
Everyone who reserve items is insta ignored by my whole guild. I encourage everyone who has a brain to do exactly the same.

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Most dumb **** I have ever read. So because you lead a raid, because you spam the global chat, YOU are entitled to anything? Why? Because your fingers hurt? But you're probably american and therefore mad your ideology and greedy capitalist ways are being exposed for what it is, greed. The bosses killed are still a group effort, therefore even if you're raid leader ur not entitled to ****.
This problem is deeper than world of warcraft. Greed is what makes this planet a ****hole where evryone tries to kill eachother.
Reserving items defeats the whole purpose of this game, sometimes you get an item, sometimes you dont get anything. A large part of the fun is seeing an item drop and rolling for it because youve been after it for a while, and winning it. Reserving it destroys the fun for everybody else.

So lets turn your conclusion around and lets say, if you cant deal with not getting any items from a raid, dont make a damn raid. Because thats what everyone has to deal with from time to time, and just because you found the players, doesnt mean you deserve it. Thats not how the world works. Or should work.

You think leading a raid is something only special people can do? Only super intelligent people who play wow for 10 years? I mean seriously I can only lmao at your post and lmao at people who act like world of warcraft is super secret rocket science lol.
I lead raids all the time, I dont reserve anything. The result is a much better friendly atmosphere, which results in more fun. Because fun thats what a video game is about. Sad part is people like you will always exist, and nothing will change that unless the good people make it as hard as possible.
Everyone who reserve items is insta ignored by my whole guild. I encourage everyone who has a brain to do exactly the same.

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Boy,did you go off the rails.
My point was that anyone can make a raid if they got the patience and will do so,that's why i basically said that if you are dissatisfied with everyone else's way of going about it,make the damned raid your self.
Is this really such a hard thing to get your thick,useless brain around?
If you go into a store with the idea that you might buy a new TV,do you look for the high end one,then move on to assault the store clerk because the price is not what you want to buy the damn thing for?
Yes i am entitled to whatever i want if i make a raid,5 man or event a group quest party.
Why? Because it's my raid,my 5man group or a quest party,if you feel like whatever i am doing does not sit well with you,you are free to leave or not even join it,and make your own.
Yes,the boss kills are a group effort,but the only reason that kill event happened was because i took the time to make the raid and any rules that apply to it,beforehand.
I don't agree with raid leaders who just say ''LFM icc25'' and then after the boss is killed,go on about ''Ohh yeah,this thing that just dropped,i am reserving it for my own personal use''
But if i am making a raid,and stating quite clearly beforehand that i am reserving stuff,you don't have the right to tell me that it's not correct or that it's an ******* move,cuz you are not forced to join it.
How dumb can you be? Honestly,what sort of horrible stuff on biblical proportions happened in your childhood that you got the testicular fortitude to even assume that the group OR raid you join should practice whatever rules you believe to be the correct ones.

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Boy,did you go off the rails.
My point was that anyone can make a raid if they got the patience and will do so,that's why i basically said that if you are dissatisfied with everyone else's way of going about it,make the damned raid your self.
Is this really such a hard thing to get your thick,useless brain around?
If you go into a store with the idea that you might buy a new TV,do you look for the high end one,then move on to assault the store clerk because the price is not what you want to buy the damn thing for?
Yes i am entitled to whatever i want if i make a raid,5 man or event a group quest party.
Why? Because it's my raid,my 5man group or a quest party,if you feel like whatever i am doing does not sit well with you,you are free to leave or not even join it,and make your own.
Yes,the boss kills are a group effort,but the only reason that kill event happened was because i took the time to make the raid and any rules that apply to it,beforehand.
I don't agree with raid leaders who just say ''LFM icc25'' and then after the boss is killed,go on about ''Ohh yeah,this thing that just dropped,i am reserving it for my own personal use''
But if i am making a raid,and stating quite clearly beforehand that i am reserving stuff,you don't have the right to tell me that it's not correct or that it's an ******* move,cuz you are not forced to join it.
How dumb can you be? Honestly,what sort of horrible stuff on biblical proportions happened in your childhood that you got the testicular fortitude to even assume that the group OR raid you join should practice whatever rules you believe to be the correct ones.

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Bosses killed are group effort. The only reason you killed a boss is because of the people in your raid. Without "random" pugs, random dpsers you wouldnt get anywhere. So wrap your worthless brain around that for once. You probably think you're real smart but really you're not. Trying to defend your greedy means to extend your internet penis in god damn world of warcraft. Now whats sadder than someone like you who puts that much value into his online characters to the point where you want to destroy the fun of other players? Yeah, not a lot of things. Not only are you blocked ingame, your also blocked on the forums.

I don't get what's to discuss here.

The banned guy pretty much nailed it there.

Reserving items isn't bannable if announced.

So, if you're sick and tired of seeing "reserve" in global, the option have already been plainly laid out for you already. You can:

a) do nothing.
b) shut the f*ck up, #dealwitit and join the raid anyway.
c) whine loud enough and long enough on the forums in vain hopes of some admin catching a slight glimpse of your pitiful existence and actually outlawing item reservations.