As usual.. Ninja looting bans

All right guys. Could u explain me some strange things. I've seen several bans whick I think are not fair.
For example. LFR u enter as ench shaman. Let it be TOC. And WOW!! Drops a twohand weapon. Ench is pressing need. (Well he could use 2h and he got a right spec) But suddenly someone (Dk,Prot warrior (For his offspec) and others ) telling you that you are a ninja and sending a report. And Bam you are banned.
From the server rules^

What qualifies as raid ninja
-Master Looter taking items that were not reserved or giving them to players that did not win unless its seconnd highest roll when winner had no use for the item
-Changing looting rules during the raid after it has started
Example You joined a raid that was being advertised as one with no reserved items and after first boss raid leader says that he reserves item from last boss
-Player exploiting game bug to bypass master loot In such cases it is best if master looter would fill report that shows player leaving the raid and empty loot window
-Player need rolling group loot on items which he cannot even use

And there is no categorie where it's perhibited to roll a 2h for your spec.
But you are already banned

What are your thoughts ?
I've seen 2 shamans beeing banned and also me
P.s sorry if there are some mistakes

Why would you roll need on a 2hander beyond TBC expansion? Part of being a ninja is needing on an item your class/spec can't properly use. Lava Lash requires an offhand weapon, having the proper enchant setup requires 2 weapons, maelstrom and static shock both benefit from dual wield.. If you take this item over a dps Warrior or a Ret Paladin then the fact that you can equip the item means nothing to those guys when the reality is you took an item that is effectively useless for your spec.

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Originally Posted by bigbazz

Why would you roll need on a 2hander beyond TBC expansion? Part of being a ninja is needing on an item your class/spec can't properly use. Lava Lash requires an offhand weapon, having the proper enchant setup requires 2 weapons, maelstrom and static shock both benefit from dual wield.. If you take this item over a dps Warrior or a Ret Paladin then the fact that you can equip the item means nothing to those guys when the reality is you took an item that is effectively useless for your spec.

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As for my situation there was only prot warrior who told that he need the weapon for his offspec. And there was no (dk, ret or someone else). That's just our guess that "Part of being a ninja is needing on an item your class/spec can't PROPERLY use" unless it's written in the rules section.

Nah I think that ninja rules need to be more refined. Cause damn there are so many controversial situations about that

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Originally Posted by bigbazz

Why would you roll need on a 2hander beyond TBC expansion? Part of being a ninja is needing on an item your class/spec can't properly use. Lava Lash requires an offhand weapon, having the proper enchant setup requires 2 weapons, maelstrom and static shock both benefit from dual wield.. If you take this item over a dps Warrior or a Ret Paladin then the fact that you can equip the item means nothing to those guys when the reality is you took an item that is effectively useless for your spec.

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Actually a ninja looter is someone who breaks loot rules.

@OP Tough luck, next time ask for loot rules before starting the raid, then screen shot it. If you get banned for Ninja Looting you can always try to appeal with your ban with the required evidence.

2H Enhance isn't a thing in wrath, so you needed on something that isn't viable for your spec.

So he wanted to have an awkward build. How is that ban worthy? If what OP is saying is correct, then I don't think he broke any rules.

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Originally Posted by ZooWee

So he wanted to have an awkward build. How is that ban worthy? If what OP is saying is correct, then I don't think he broke any rules.

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its not awkward build its not working at all build.same as enh rolling for daggers.if there is no one else needing it its ok but if there is people who can use the item for their actual build even if its OS then enh need to pass.or next thing we will see is warriors rolling on staffs.

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Originally Posted by Skoobydoo

its not awkward build its not working at all build.same as enh rolling for daggers.if there is no one else needing it its ok but if there is people who can use the item for their actual build even if its OS then enh need to pass.or next thing we will see is warriors rolling on staffs.

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It's the fact that he didn't break any loot rules. Therefore he isn't a Ninja.

However, he could state only 1 side of the story and he actually did ninja loot by breaking loot rules.

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Originally Posted by romz

It's the fact that he didn't break any loot rules. Therefore he isn't a Ninja.

However, he could state only 1 side of the story and he actually did ninja loot by breaking loot rules.

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If loot rules was MS > OS, its still not MS because MS requires viability. Same reasons some people may not be taken to raids. Too many of the same class means your MS isn't viable so you don't get to join.

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Originally Posted by romz

It's the fact that he didn't break any loot rules. Therefore he isn't a Ninja.

However, he could state only 1 side of the story and he actually did ninja loot by breaking loot rules.

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the default loot rules are MS>OS if they are a real specs then disenchanting or whatever weird **** you wanna try.you have to specify you will roll for 2h as enh and the raid need to agree with you rolling for it.
if we follow your logic and everything that is not specify can be roll for it what stop plate users roll for mail,cloth items just because no one said they cant before the raid start.or warrior rolling on daggers/staff.

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Originally Posted by Skoobydoo

if we follow your logic and everything that is not specify can be roll for it what stop plate users roll for mail,cloth items just because no one said they cant before the raid start.or warrior rolling on daggers/staff.

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Since this is wotlk,good luck finding a good holy paladin that agrees to only rolling for the useless pos caster plate gear(only exception:bpc wrist).Or a ret/fury not being able to roll for leather(and mail in case of ret gear - Fester mail belt for instance),a boomkin,an elemental shaman - hell,even dk has leather as bis - blame blizzard.As for daggers/staffs,ofc they belong to rogues/hunters.
@OP 2h enhancement is useless,and yes,your roll should be around the de/vendor level.Any raid leader with a brain would never even think of giving a two handed weapon to an enhancement - just like he/she won't give a melee weapon to a hunter first,or a ranged weapon to a rogue/warrior first.

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Originally Posted by SilverFlash

Since this is wotlk,good luck finding a good holy paladin that agrees to only rolling for the useless pos caster plate gear(only exception:bpc wrist).Or a ret/fury not being able to roll for leather(and mail in case of ret gear - Fester mail belt for instance),a boomkin,an elemental shaman - hell,even dk has leather as bis - blame blizzard.As for daggers/staffs,ofc they belong to rogues/hunters.
@OP 2h enchancement is useless,and yes,your roll should be around the de/vendor level.Any raid leader with a brain would never even think of giving a two handed weapon to an enchancement - just like he/she won't give a melee weapon to a hunter first,or a ranged weapon to a rogue/warrior first.

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but you are talking about specific BIS pieces.and you have to say you will roll for them before the raid or most likely someone else will get them.taking 2h weapon as enh from ret/war/dk is same category as taking dagger as warrior from some rogue.

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Originally Posted by Skoobydoo

the default loot rules are MS>OS if they are a real specs then disenchanting or whatever weird **** you wanna try.you have to specify you will roll for 2h as enh and the raid need to agree with you rolling for it.
if we follow your logic and everything that is not specify can be roll for it what stop plate users roll for mail,cloth items just because no one said they cant before the raid start.or warrior rolling on daggers/staff.

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If the Loot Rules were not stated, they are not there by default. There is a reason why blizzard couldn't support MS > OS in terms of ninja looting.

@aurorlock MS > OS doesn't mean viability it means you are rolling for your main spec, if your main spec can say use a 2 handed weapon as a shaman, then it still falls under the Loot Rules.

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Originally Posted by Skoobydoo

but you are talking about specific BIS pieces.and you have to say you will roll for them before the raid or most likely someone else will get them.taking 2h weapon as enh from ret/war/dk is same category as taking dagger as warrior from some rogue.

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Yes it is,but some consider it just as bad if you roll on let's say fester heroic cloth pants as holy pally.And its the same with every spec that has items in its bis thats not the maximum armor class your class can wear.I consider changing this in cataclysm as one of the rare good ideas in that expansion.

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Originally Posted by romz

aurorlock MS > OS doesn't mean viability it means you are rolling for your main spec, if your main spec can say use a 2 handed weapon as a shaman, then it still falls under the Loot Rules.

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A:It means viability,thats why you don't roll on two one handed weapons/staffs as a warrior.
B:Your spec can't use it,enhancement is based on dual wielding.You can equip it,big difference.