Tanks we need to talk

I only want to know if someone who wants to play as Tank has an unspoken agreement to be braindead over 9000.

All the tanks in dungeons are trash. And when i say all, it's all of them.

Tanks never check if the healer or the dps have mana. Tanks make every pull without checking if all the party is ready. Tanks have more ego than an American celebrity, and if you do more damage than them, they will make 2 choices:
1- leave the dungeon.
2- kick the guy who's doing more damage than them.

When a tank dies, they never release, they just wait for the healer and, without saying a word, they wait for the res from the healer.

If the tank comes with 1000+ GS than the rest of the party, after 2 bosses they'll vote for kick you for "no damage" or "noob" or whatever.


This is not just my opinion, talking with people on different channels of Discord, they agree.

So, what's going on with tanks?

Could they be bored of running into nth Leroy Jenkins DPS that's overeagerly stepping on tanks' toes by deciding when to pull, never giving tank time to aggro and maneuver the mobs to position, while ignoring healers' mana situation?

I mean, DPS are usually the ADHD adrenaline junkies that can't sit still for one second. They're in such a rush they abuse their keyboard by smashing it 1000 times per second, and still only being able to dish out way below average damage. If they ever manage to out damage a person, in most cases a healer, they trash talk like they are the king of the world and everybody else are slaves to their cause and should uninstall.

If you don't like tanks, instead of always rolling for tank gear you never use, actually make and play a tank for a change and see how much **** they have to deal with day to day.

Oh and please, do take this with a little salt.

No, the crap is what DPS and healers have to deal with. It’s common to go through 4–5 tank replacements per dungeon because they throw a tantrum and leave. In the last one today, a tank left the group because another warrior with lower GS rolled need and won the loot. What a disgraceful player.

I’ve never seen a DPS pull on purpose. I’ve never seen a DPS standing in front of a tank. And yes, DPS like mages or rogues often end up ahead of the healer and even the tank, no matter how much it hurts your ego.

As a mage, I never roll need on tank items because the game system doesn’t allow it. So don’t make dumb tank assumptions.

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Originally Posted by rickyschotForum

In the last one today, a tank left the group because another warrior with lower GS rolled need and won the loot.

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Maybe he only joined for that item?

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Originally Posted by rickyschotForum

I’ve never seen a DPS pull on purpose. I’ve never seen a DPS standing in front of a tank.

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Then you may not have paid enough attention...

Perhaps you should play a Tank yourself.
Lead by example and all that.

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Originally Posted by Shred

Maybe he only joined for that item?

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Well, I was in that dungeon yesterday. I don't know if tank needed or not (i assume not, because of the gs he got). We were 3 DPS and a healer, cause tank left. This new tank, as he enter the dungeon, the first thing he said was "kick warrior, I don't like gnome warriors". Obviously, we don't kick him. We killed a boss, warrior did Need to an item, and tank select Greed. I don't know why he get upset for not getting it... Whatever. Even in other dungeon the other day: we got killed, tank left (totally ok), and by the second the new tank entered, he writed "kick rogue, quick", without giving an explanation...

I must say, as a rogue, I've been accused so many times of not doing damage. As far as I know (5 months playing, I have much to learn yet, I know), I do high single target damage, so if a tank with +1k gs than me pulls 6-7 mobs, and we killed them in 15 secs, obviously I ended up doing low dps. But when when the boss comes, I ended up like 1st or 2nd in damage. I mean, you can't kick somebody for doing low dps if you don't know how it works.

I'm not saying that all tanks are like this, I have met wonderful tanks, even some of them explaining the boss (knowing not everyone ni dungeon has done this particular one before)... But the last month it's chaos to find new one, and pray for not to be kicked for some stupid reason.

Not everyone nows the mechanics. Not everyone has 6k gs, and they need to get new items to keep leveling up, so be patient. If you see you enter a dungeon with people with less gs than you, and died because you pulled to many mobs, maybe instead of leaving at 1st death saying "too low dps" must try to pull less.

Obviously, I've never played a tank before, so maybe there are so many things that I would understand if I played one. But don't say to me that all fault is dps getting aggro (i've never seen it neither, not a single time, because in my experience tank almost never check if we are ready), or they are tired of people getting the item he needs, or whatever reason.

For all the players in here (not only tanks): please, be patient, be considered, and enjoy playing. Don't ruin other players game experience.

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Originally Posted by Mindwars22

Not everyone nows the mechanics.

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To be fair, in my personal opinion, RDF isn't a place to go if you have no idea what you're doing.
That right off the bat says to me you're wanting to get carried.

The bare minimum I expect is that people watched a video to know what will happen if they are going on RDF. If you want to do stuff blind, find people who are up to do it with you to create a party. Random people in a quick'n'loose things like RDF have no obligation to teach or deal with players who don't take 5-10 mins to do a little research.

The DPS should always be the ones to blame. They are the ones who commonly queue as fake healers and fake tanks. A REAL tank or healer can never pretend to be DPS's. Either they fail miserably which is fine according to their real role or they are accidentally successful, which gives them full reason to complain. Noob tanks and healers are still learning and that's fine. They should be motivated by the others to improve.

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Originally Posted by rickyschotForum

I’ve never seen a DPS pull on purpose. I’ve never seen a DPS standing in front of a tank.
As a mage, I never roll need on tank items because the game system doesn’t allow it. So don’t make dumb tank assumptions.

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Might open your eyes, because as a healer (and sometimes tank), I see if often.

As for the DPS rolling for tank items, the game allows Master Loot and I often see ninja reports of DPS rolling for armor or stamina items which are tipically tank items, but can be equipped by any role.

In my case, yes, I've watched videos, not only to know bosses mechanics. I've watched videos since I start playing as a rogue to be the best I can, knowing the rotations and everything (and with my other characters too), or reading specific guides.

I understand your point, but I do several dungeons in RDF with people with less than 1k gs than me, and I've never kicked anyone for that, neither for not knowing the mechanics, I would explain it (and sometimes I did). I assume that if they are in RDF is because they need drop items, or EoF/EoT, so I keep playing, because, if RDF let you enter a dungeon, is because you can. I mean, you got the requirements to enter.

The point here is, I assume, that there are two groups: the ones who want to level up the character and need to obtain better equipment, and the ones who want to do dungeons for fun, not for need.

Maybe if I would like to go for a quick run, I would ask my friends to join a group to do that dungeon and that way I won't be waiting 45 minutes or more to enter a random one. But well, this is in my opinion. Of course you can think it the other way, totally ok with it.

I mean, I know not everyone do that the way we do, but I don't know. I get upset with many players (I repeat, not only tanks) for kicking others for literally, stupid reasons like "123", wtf?

You can be okay with it, but you can't expect others to be okay with it.

RDF isn't really a place to go learn mechanics. It's literally implied that you know it enough that you can go with a random group of classes that might have no synergy, and still be able to complete it successfully, that you don't need to be in a learning group that will take it slow and fail repeatedly.

The actual two groups going there are people who know what to do and just want a smooth experience to get it finished fast and people who don't care, don't know what to do and won't bother with it, and just want to get carried. The patience of the first group with people of the second is finite, and it's well within their right to not want to deal with them.

Well, we have different opinions. I'm not pretending to change yours, and I'm not changing mine either.

I just writed about my personal experience in the last weeks. And I repeat: not all tanks, not all players.

I just wanted to expose my opinion and read other's. That's it.

Hmm if I wrote this post is because after i've started to do heroic dungeons (5 months), in all cases the tank is the one to spark outrage. Maybe you're right and i must have more time playing on this server, cause maybe and just maybe, 5 months is not enought to have a valid perspective.

I want to say that yes, i've played as a warrior tank already and the DPSs blame on me cause i was doing it wrong as a tank (due to my inexperience). But in that cases i've never saw the DPS behaviour you all are talking about.

Just to give an example. Yesterday a tank made a kick vote for a DPS who made low damage (he had less than the half GS than the tank), but on the next boss, me, as a mague (with AOE and all that stuff), i ended up the first of the team on damage (tank was the 4rd) so i told the tank "hey tank, what a low damage you did" cause i was upset about the dps who had been kicked out. Tank said "well DK is a hard character, you're a noob and don't know that". Well, we didn't kick him for low damage as he did with the DPS cause we all understand that on big pulls, AOE casters do a lot of damage (and being on queue again after wait for a tank on RDF about 45min is a pain in the ***). And also on the last boss of PoS he didn't make any damage trying to us to die.


He was the 3rd tank to come to the dungeon cause the one before him left the dungeon cause another warrior get the loot (he need it).

The thing is, on dungeons the big problems come from the tanks, not the healer, not de DPS. As i said before, maybe 5months of experience is not enought maybe i need years like some of that tanks seem to have.

As a healer, the thing I hate most is when Fury Warriors and Retribution Paladins queue for Heroic RDF as tanks.
Even if they have good gear, they still get wrecked by trash mobs, and I have to burn through tons of mana just to keep them alive.
These fake tanks never wait for the healer’s mana—they just charge ahead like they’re trying to prove how heroic they are.
One time, A Fury Warrior with great gear tanking in RDF. He didn’t wait for my mana at all and kept pulling nonstop.
I used every mana recovery trick I had, even chugged a mana potion the moment it came off cooldown, but I still couldn’t keep his health stable.
His recklessness wiped the group. And then—he kicked me.
Of course, the rest of the party didn’t agree with that decision.
He just threw out a “****ing noob healer” and left the group.
I was like… WTF? Does this guy have bipolar disorder or something? lol

Just play tank yourself...

So you mostly play rdf normal, and just start heroic. That mean you almost never raid,... You are far away from the reality. You just have to read in game chat, everytime, everyday people ask for tanks because no one want to play it. That mean most of tank you find in rdf are DPS with offspe and some tank piece (if you are lucky). So these peoples are not real tank, they lack everything as true tank. People do that otherwise they have to wait 30+ min to queue. Meanwhile true tank player don't queue or as dps because it's a pain in *** to tank on this server. why? people don't even have the basic knowledge of their class, rolls,... do random pull, run away with mobs, pop all their cd with 6k+ gs when tank is barely 5k, bump trashes,..... It's simple as tank you are a mop and you are suppose to erase all bs others made and you get insult,.... I'm sorry but that not how it's suppose to work.

I read you play war tank, just try to do some raid. You 'll see how peoples welcome your war tank.....