Horde in PVP

Hello team ,

i recently started to play some pvp as horde in icecrown! i never been a pvp person but since i have nothing to do i said why not farm some pvp gear or even better some achievments..

i saw that horde are terrible at pvp? or just that alliances group up and playing as premades.. its mostly like imposible to win as horde in bgs !!

so i was wondering if there is any discord server or any "group" somewhere that making some pvp premades for hordes so we can be relative in pvp also and being competitive!!

Thank you and have a great day!

Depends on the time of day, I commonly get trash groups as Alliance also and we get rolled.

Solo players nearly extinct and chance to meet premade is almost guaranteed every random bg.

Its not about alliance or horde, its just premades who is destroying the game. There have to be separate solo queue and join as a party. Battlegrounds are unplayable and all my friends stopped playing cuz they have nothing to do in the game.

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Originally Posted by Pitrdivia

Its not about alliance or horde, its just premades who is destroying the game. There have to be separate solo queue and join as a party. Battlegrounds are unplayable and all my friends stopped playing cuz they have nothing to do in the game.

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I agree with this. Bgs are nowadays always PM vs randoms. Premades should fight another premade.
"Make ur own premade" responses inc.

It's not that Horde sucks at PVP but how the alliance racials are designed seem to lean towards PVP content.
Horde just pivoted towards PVE

Buy Blackened Worg Steak, and then just avoid the premade. It's incredibly easy. I meet premades pretty much every game because I play Merc, but you can almost always avoid them in BGs.

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Originally Posted by Darkkis

I agree with this. Bgs are nowadays always PM vs randoms. Premades should fight another premade.
"Make ur own premade" responses inc.

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Agree, they should make something with premades. All games looks same, bis PM on our or their graveyard.
Making own premade doesn't help, because premade teams are boring cause of huge advantage, farming graveyard is abomination of pvp.

I was talking about this from months, its not about alliance or horde, its just premades vs solo, which is terrible. I have lost more than 30 battlegrounds in a row as alliance and i decided to stop play battlegrounds, i dont want to play premade, i spend my time in the server for social things or farm. They have to separate premade vs solo. Please do it, its really urgently for saving the PVP in Icecrown. The mboxing change on wintergrasp made it a lot worse, now mboxers cant play, and instead of them we getting 2k GS players and its terrible, ruthless alliance or horde premade vs 2k GS PLAYERS.

Alliance was always that PVP oriented faction because of human and his free trinket racial. Horde is more PVE oriented faction because of no need for trinket and racials working nicely in PVE scene.

All PVP lovers gather around Alliance and all PVE lovers gather around horde. Therefore you will have way better PVP scene (Premades and arena groups) in alliance.

I got back after good time taking a break from this server, and started to level up orc fury warrior. It was all good until Northrend. It is almost unplayable cause of all alliance stalking and just shooting me mid air when i search for ores. Tnx but no tnx.

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Originally Posted by Baartleby2

Buy Blackened Worg Steak, and then just avoid the premade. It's incredibly easy. I meet premades pretty much every game because I play Merc, but you can almost always avoid them in BGs.

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Could you please share how to avoid premade? Usually when I leave and waste 15 min next bg is premade again.

You think you are playing against premades but most of the time you are not. I have around 200k HK on my main and i have gone through several similar frustrations. There is a big group of players on Warmane that does predominantly BGs,whole day,every day,nothing else.It is not needed to send invites to anyone.When you have experience and knowledge about players you know who you are playing with the moment you step in the BG. Sometimes you see a monster in your group and you know you will own the place.Sometimes you see pros in the enemy team and you know you are gona get wrecked.Being good in BGs is much different than being good in arena or PvE. If you spend enough time in the game you will get better and start to carry your team.You need at least 50-100 HK to learn the mechanics of every map so you can exploit it to win, and to know what to do when you team is GY farmed so you still have fun. Truth is gear doesnt matter much. It is full of donated BiS characters that are useless.Even if you buy all the gear and invite people similar to you you will probably get wrecked again.Basicly warmane pvp is controlled by around 100-200 players that are really good and around 10-20 of them are good enough to change the whole faction ballance. If you see a person with 1 mil+ HKs he is gona win the match no matter who plays with him and how geared people are. Lower bracket is usually ally dominated,high bracket is horde dominated. Sometimes the million HK players swap sides and the other side will get wrecked for a few months.You see people in AV and Isle as premades but these are just people that que those BGs specifically.We dont need the honor bonus.We need the most HK/hour. I recommend to everyone willing to play a lot of BGs to take a stealth char first. It allows you to hide from zergs while you learn to pisition yourself.The most important spell in any BG is the 1s cast time mount.If you dont learn how to use the mount you will get wrecked. You can see many people in the loosing teams that finish the game 10-0 or 15-1 etc. They just know how to avoid the grinder and safe their buffs.BGs are a war of buffs and mounts and not a game of flags and bases.

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Originally Posted by lilqnchoo

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One of the best if not the best post I've seen here regarding how the highest bracket of battlegrounds works. It puts into perspective the continuous stream of "I am new here and I deserve to win, stop the premades" posts.

I think it depends on the time of day. In my case, in the early morning in my country, the alliance loses 80% of the battlegrounds...