Howdy,
I have several questions about this new core. I remember that somewhere like one month ago a thread about exploits was brought up and several answers from the staff were really conclusive. Let me bring up some of those quotes.
@Aldtharios
Lastly I'm sure that new core will receive proper dev support in terms of ICC scripting so that we won't face situation when bug is left out for a long time without being fixed (unless it won't be known to staff).
@Proterean
We believe that we are responsible why these exploits remained and it would be not honourable to punish players for our own flaws and especially when we would punish such a small percentage of actual exploiters.I could go further but I believe it's not necessary since several points can be questioned right now. I'll notice that I'm not trying to be insulting and I'm going to make this questions as an individual player and not as a representative of a group of players.
@Proterean
It will be fixed. (...) I'm sure you can differentiate a realm with full development support and a realm without one, allowing exploits to get more known and et cetera.
1) As for the first quote goes I believe that we're more than aware that there are NOW more bugs than there were before. Several instances and boss mechanics are broken in a point that is almost undoable to achieve any kind of progress. I don't know if the tester guilds are the ones to blame for not reporting this broken mechanics or if it's a core issue itself. I would like to point out as well that there were several hotfixes that broke mechanics even more. Ruby Sanctum is completely undoable, several damage meters and mechanics are completely out of line and when they get reported with proper evidence they get an aswer of: " Maybe that explanation was poorly detailed. " I'm sorry but I do take videos and guides from Tankspot and rank one guilds (at least from that specific content) more detailed and more accurate than anything else. I really do. I did take part of my time and good will in order to try to provide proper information for all of this situations, as a good samaritan, and I get pointed out that if I'm able to proof them, when I already did, a report will be done. Keeping in mind that several reports were listed in the bugtracker itself why are we making a new report in the first place? But since I'm going a little bit off-topic let me go back to the point;
TL;DR; - Ragnaros and Deathwing are suffering bugs that represent an even worst situation that before. An end game instance like RS being broken in the way that it is breaks the game for the end game guilds completely. Several bosses from Icecrown Citadel not working as they should since the implementation of this same core (Examples: Professor Putricide as it is, Valithria, etc.). It was stated that things would be changed. What can I expect now?
2) I'm bringing up the exploit back. The quote from Proterean himself makes me question several points. I've already found several possible exploits for almost every single boss in Icecrown Citadel. I have two different questions for this;
- Who are the ones that I can consider responsible for this? The Testing Guilds?
- What happens to this new exploiters? Consequences will happen or should they force their way through the content (that is way too broken) abusing exploits?
This are just two of the several questions that pop in my head. I could post several of them but I believe that this topic would not be the right spot for it and since I have respect thowards the dedication and sweat applied in this development I will not do it (at least here).
Also, another solid point - About the "full development support"; I wanted to believe this until I first got in touch with a responsible to answer my reports. I felt completely discouraged to attempt any kind of reports since I was answered with;
Are we really starting to question a possible interpretation of grammar or english expressions from a tooltip? Oh boy! I have a lot to do in the next few days then 'cause I will find a lot to approach in multiple ways. As example to answer this quote;As for the tooltip... well it's wording and it can be interpreted differently.
What do you define "alies"?
Can one be an ally of oneself ?
Same effects, different wording. So are we really questioning English expressions?
All I'm asking here is; How much will Ragnaros and Deathwing suffer with this breaking hotfixes? For how longer will this community (guilds, solo players, casual - Whatever) suffer from this?
Since I've already wrote a wall of text I will just sit here in my corner waiting for a response to this same thread. I would leave this really clean though:
I'm not trying to bash, destroy, or whatever word you might want to use to, the staff or developers. I'm simply looking for answers to the statements that were provided by the higher ranks of the staff and that are not matching our current reality.
Thank you for your time reading this. Any other kind of feedback that the community feels like giving please go ahead and make a new comment.
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The New Core
Edited: April 24, 2016
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Member
Every hotfix that is implemented scares me, most of the times it breaks more stuff than it fixes. There are a lot of report to be made, but it takes too long for reports to be noticed, I belive we need more PROPER testers, also they have to be openminded instead of questioning Blizzard's tooltips just to get away with it and give no relevance to the bug report.
Also, I think the reason for these disturbing hotfixes, is that there's no supervisor to whatever the hotfix does, before it goes live it has to be tested NOT BY A SINGLE GUY, most of mechanics ignore the boss' target aka the tank, also WARMANE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THESE HOTFIXES, FIX STUFF.
And lastly, I hate being Lordaeron's testing sheep, I expected this core to deliver proper content, but it ****ed me up in more ways than the previous core did, maybe it's just me, but for the love of god. We NEED COMMUNICATION, I can't keep going on like this, WE ARE NOT THE ENEMIES OF THE STAFF, WE ARE ALL HERE FOR ONE GOD DAMN REASON! Why do testers/community managers being defensive towards people that just can't stand certain stuff and want to express their dislike towards that current situation.
I'll leave this right here just to make emphasis.
WE ARE NOT THE ENEMIES OF THE STAFF, THERE'S NO REASON TO BE DEFENSIVE TOWARDS YOUR COMMUNITY.Edited: April 24, 2016
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Member
The new core itself brought new bugs - weekly quests are unavailable (FOR HOW LONG NOW?), RDF solo queue is partially broken, Ruby Sanctum is a disaster etc...
Exactly. For example - one of the hotfixes totally broke Violet Hold, the entire instance and every achievement associated with it is now bugged. And the recent update messed up ICC (VDW, PP, Sindy).Every hotfix that is implemented scares me, most of the times it breaks more stuff than it fixes.
But the worst thing is that it takes forever to get these bugs marked as "confirmed" in the bugtracker, let alone fixed.
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My question is this; should they worry about fixing the bugs on Rag/Death or be more focused on pushing for Icecrown and be ready to implement fixes there as people port over to it next month?
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Member
Essentially with the way these hot fixes are looking, Rag/Death have become the testing servers for the incoming fixes to Lordearon instead of the other way around. It is in the best interest of all wrath servers to get these issues addressed. Since Icecrown will be using the same core that Rag/Death have, then the answer is yes it's important to address the issue.
Whether this was intentional or not remains to be seen. The only upside I can see in this situation is the patched content is getting tested and feedback much more quickly than if it were to be on the PTR. However, as a standard practice goes in terms of system management: patches shouldn't be testing fixes in production for the reasons addressed above.
Further more, if these hot fix patches are going to continue I would greatly appreciate to see some communication either via the change log or a forum post where it mentions what each hot fix patch addressed. From a testing perspective this makes it much easier to gauge which raid bosses have been impacted and which ones should not have been impacted at all. The current state of communication unfortunately leaves the community to only guess at best what was touched.Edited: April 24, 2016
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True...I really don't understand why they have stopped posting change logs. And why they aren't more interested in fixing the dungeons and raids that can't be completed. Unless they fixed any of these in the past couple days, it's currently Ruby Sanctum, Icecrown Citadel, Violet Hold, Onyxia's Lair and Black Temple that can't be completed normally, if at all. And Weekly quests are also extremely important.
Edit: Also something else I've been wondering about, not sure if it was a bug or intentional, but they seem to have lowered the rates, at least for rep...but they haven't announced it. Used to get like 1500 or so rep for the big mobs in ICC, maybe more, now you get 315.Edited: April 24, 2016
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Field Medic Moderator
I can say one thing. They are working on it.
After passing along a few bugs, such as follows;
And I was told that most of these things have been fixed already, and are pending application via update.Professor Putricide
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=70447
This (on 10 normal at least) is hitting all players for full damage, instead of splitting the damage
Valithria Dreamwalker
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=70873/emerald-vigor
These aren't working as they should, either. They bug out somehow during the fight and won't stack more than after one portal
Sindragosa
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=69762/unchained-magic
This is applying to 4 people at a time in 10 man.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=70123/blistering-cold
This seems that it can sometimes cast 2 times in a row.
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The fact that they're working on it doesn't invalidate the fact that all the quotes stated above are completely false after the new core was implemented. The statement of having a full development team available to hear the feedback of the community makes me wonder - If a full development team is being supported by a QA Team that makes questions about english expressions I highly doubt that most of the bugs will be fixed anytime soon. After all, there are multiple English expressions (American, British, Australian, Irish, etc) that I can question for months.
Also, the fact that the bugs are being fixed, doesn't properly answer the question related to the new exploits. Since I did question that before, I'll question this now - What happens NOW to this players that exploit mechanics again? Right now it just got into a point that I'm forced to exploit almost every single mechanic to complete a content. If that's not the case, I have to be extremely geared to be able to go through some bosses. Or I just can't progress 'cause they're way too broken. It's like a continuous cycle from where you can't stand out apparently - From the old core to the new core. The cycle repeats.
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Field Medic Moderator
I said nothing to that effect. I'm simply pointing out that we are working on improving upon the situation.
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Banned
The thing that worries me the most is that the silence prevails and the lack of answers to the several exploits that are currently going on is still missing. I also have the feeling that the "merge" will be the solution presented and explained for all of this problems. But then again; According to some stream holders, everything is working fine. I wonder how it would be if it wasn't.
Edited: April 26, 2016
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Member
"1) As for the first quote goes I believe that we're more than aware that there are NOW more bugs than there were before"
How would you know how was it before, you're here for a breif period of time.
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Member
Hi there, Abit footage from the Ruby Sanctum, Guildie got it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxWrR9zwB7o
I Liked the old core more.
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I'm in this server since late 2011, begginings of 2012. So make it an average of five years. If that's really relevant to your completely absurd point.
Plus you don't even need to be an old school player to notice that the old core (the core that was implemented before the release of this "New Core") was working better than this current one. You, for sure, are some kind of special aren't ya? I would ask you, in a really polite way, if you're going to point out completely irrelevant points to stay out of this thread please.
This video is already a clear evidence of the exploits that are going on. I'm aware of several guilds that are doing RS 25 HC by avoiding the phase 1 completely and by dropping Halion's HP low enough, through several wipes, in order to become a guaranteed kill. Personally, I do believe that we should spend more time questioning the english expressions of a tooltip.
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[QUOTE=magaginho;2662565]I'm in this server since late 2011, begginings of 2012. So make it an average of five years. If that's really relevant to your completely absurd point.
Plus you don't even need to be an old school player to notice that the old core (the core that was implemented before the release of this "New Core") was working better than this current one. You, for sure, are some kind of special aren't ya? I would ask you, in a really polite way, if you're going to point out completely irrelevant points to stay out of this thread please.
Really irrelavant? Do you know how many bosses were released when ICC came out? Do you know what the bugs were? Do you know that? Change that tone depending on a person who you're talking with. You cannot talk about the state of the server if you werent here from day1. You play on "best" private server thanks to players like me, who are here for a very ****ing long time where we worked with Kaer and rest of a staff on reporting crap and supported them donations whenever, so you little coocky kid, watch your tone if you dont know who you are talking with.
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To be honest - You're losing all your authority. Donations? I've donated a significant ammount of Euros as well and I don't believe that's the perfect argument to defend yourself; Just because you donated more than X or Y that doesn't necessarily mean you're more aware of the several issues that the server is going through. I wasn't here since day one? You're right. But I'm around since 2011 and I've stayed here offering my support after the so called "moltdown". Changing my tone because I'm pointing out simple facts and questioning some statements? Hold down a second. As far as I've noticed I'm not being disrespectul or unpolite - I've pointed out the issue that there multiple ways of how things are being treated that are NOT right.
So TL;DR for you sir - I, personally, don't give a damn about how much you donated for this server since there are three fundamental points;
1) You donate for this server because you want to.
2) I've donated as well since I have respect for the dedication implemented in this project. But that doesn't necessarily mean I can't make an open statement about how things are being badly treaten right now.
3) I also report "crap" every single time that my time allows me to and that's one of the main reasons why I did this thread. Because I actually CARE about the quality offered in PvE aspects.
So yes - I will keep this tone against your attitude right now.Edited: April 26, 2016
