I honestly feel the grind is unreasonably tedious. Obviously some would disagree, but I find it reasonable to assume a big bulk of the population originates from the other Warmane servers, hence their abrupt decline in population with the TBC implement.
Alot of these players aren't adjusted to the grind system here and honestly, I feel it is a novelty to alot of them. TBC servers didn't have a large presence in the private server industry, and honestly, some of these inefficiencies probably have alot to do with it. I know that the more we begin to mould the different patches together it somewhat negates the whole appeal of something new, but I don't think a modest boost to the honor system is asking for much.
As it stands, it seems I'm averaging around 750 honor/hr with roughly a 1:1 win-loss ratio. Basically, that converts to taking 13 or so weeks of grinding daily for the casual player (playing 1-2hrs/day) to get the warlord set and pvp offsets. This gear is not even bis - we would have to grind the honor for gladiator gear on top of that... So this just causes PvP players to gravitate towards PvE to be competitive within a remotely modest period of time...
Obviously this depends on the majority decision, so I'd like to know what others think. Personally, I feel a 2x honor boost would help promote activity, because this lack of progression is really discouraging for the more casual player used to wotlk.
Edit : I'd like to add an observation : I've noticed a great deal of bots nowadays. It seems these discouraged players are resorting to botting in abundance, and this itself is damaging to the pvp experience as they leach honor from those working hard.
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Buff the honor gain system
Edited: July 13, 2017
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Buff it please
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*sarcasm on* Yes lets increase it to make more bot user join for fast honor gain to farm their gear *sarcasm off*
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Your argument rests on the notion that botting is the same regardless of chore? You realise repetitiveness is what generally turns people to an automated system, right? Let's not forget botting has risks associated with it. Lets ignore these two points. Sure
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I'm against this suggestion for the following reasons:
The honor grind is quite easy to do, all you have to do is get in a premade and you'll have all the gear in no-time.
- But I don't want to make a premade, I want to play in pugs and lose. Stop crying and eat dirt
- If I make a premade we'll just lose because we'll be outgeared by the opposite side. Learn the game and be better, a decent strategy will make the opposite side throw away their game real fast.
- Finding enough people who want to do a premade is impossible. Join a PVP guild, a decent PVP guild will run multiple premades every week, if not every day.
-My gear is too bad to get in a premade. Play the game and get some gear, don't expect other people to carry your green geared char without trinkets. Carry your own weight.
I get that there's people who come from a more casual expansion, but keep in mind that the whole point of private servers is to re-live the game how it was back in the day.
You call yourself a PVPer, but don't want to PVP too much to get your gear.
about the botting: People will bot regardless of the honor "grind"
On vanilla private servers you have to PVP non-stop for several months to get the best gear they want. only having to spend 13 weeks of 1 hour play time per day is nothing compared to that. it's already piss easy. The more time you spend in the game the better you character gets, that's the whole point of the game, don't ask for a hand-out just because you don't want to put your time in the game. Try looking for a game that doens't require your time, like minecraft.
A real PVPer like yourself will easily get a high rating in arena too, which allows you to buy those items faster, which in turn makes you farm less honor because you got the glad pieces.
TL:DR
Stop crying because you don't want to put in an effort to get your gear. If you want faster honor go play alliance, you're getting free mounts and bonus honor XP and reputation. Maybe this game is not the right game for you.
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Up, I'm with Deadlytivo, is so expensive get de Honor for get gear
PD: Ornak, I like too much do PvP but haven't so much time, and no friends i like play solo, so u said play with team or nothing? pls I like solo gaming In a game u can play fair alone and be happy, But get to much honor it's not fine..
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Yeah playing as alliance is not the better alternative certainly.. horde win probably 80% of the bg's if not more. I haven't won a SINGLE EOTS for the past three days as alliance.. it's beyond atrocious.
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I don't agree with the faction change. Forcing players to change faction to gear faster is already deteriorating the gameplay exp because its at the opportunity cost of not playing a race you want.
I think the whole premade approach isn't practical, since low geared players can't sway geared players to join, and even low geared players are more inclined to hope for a random bg with potentially geared players
There is always room for improvement in strategy, and a better strategy would improve the reward velocity, but that kinda rests on two things. a) the group is inclined to listen (with a premade i guess but that contradicts an earlier point i made) and b) the alliance are stupider than the horde. Since we'd probably be a badly geared premade, if it even happens, they would have to be exceptionally bad, strategically.Edited: July 11, 2017
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I said play with a team or don't be a ****ter. I've farmed a lot more than 750 honor/hour when farming my PVP gear. one person can make quite a huge difference in a game, believe it or not. You just g2 know what to do.
No1 forces you to faction change, it's just a way to get more honor.
I've been in 2 different premades who didn't care about gear, just listen to the calls. and that's all you need in a premade.
How to win eots as premade: split groups left and right, have 1 anchor to cap, rest move on to the other side and cap those bases. ppl will see that it's a premade and at elast 30% of the enemy team will lose motivation and go afk. ez wins. all you need is a group of badty geared non-rootards and you get free honor.
And like I said, a group incline to listen is easy to get in a guild premade. as for a pug premade, as long as you lead them right it's easy as f*ck, you replace ppl who don't listen. There's plenty of ppl who want to join a good premade, no matter what gear.
Another way to get easy honor is queue up for 3 BGs( I suggest EOTS WSG and AB), join one, then see how the team balance is, if it's equal or enemy has more you just swap to the next. This way you'll end up finding a couple of free wins easily.
All I get from your arguments is that you want quick honor without putting effort into it. There's plenty of ways to get honor quickly, you just don't utilize it. Instead you cry on the forums and ask for a handout
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Cause asking for 2x honor which is still a greater grind than wotlk is ''quick honor without putting effort into it''. I guess the Alliance are apparently doing that, too. I don't see them crying. The whole 3 bg Q strat is pretty generic and comes as a default strategy. My point is that even with consistent wins, you will not be generating more than 1.1k honor /hr (this scenario is not even remotely plausible in the first place).
Assuming you can consistently win simply because you have some generic coordination (hoping more so than the alliance for whatever reason), to not only win, but win quickly enough that the gear disadvantage is offset by this grand coordination to a point that makes it remarkably fast. Problem is, even if your strategy is superior, the typical better geared opponent would at the very least ensure a drawn out game.
So no, your comment on how I ''dont utilise it'' is groundless. I'm sure if you used some elementary math, you will find the honor generation will almost never go beyond 1k/hr.
Also realise that the horde are typically combating a faction with generally better gear, given their xp gain, so the tedious nature is only exacerbated, given they have a default advantage.
Realise that this argument is purely subjective, and throwing around comments like ''lazy'' or ''putting no effort into it'' are very generic. I made this post to see what player's viewpoint is on an objective, aswell as subjective, perspective. Objectively we can identify some issues regarding declining pvp activity, influx of bots, and perhaps how to combat these issues for a collectively better experience. Subjectively, say whatever you want.Edited: July 12, 2017
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My point is that I believe this is basically a even more tedious grind than typical blizz tbc for the simple fact that we are pretty much consistently fighting a faction with generally better gear... so our 1x xp is even less than that in terms of actual output.
Honestly they should boost horde to 1.5x and alliance 3x or some other variation with a similar principle so that horde atleast have some semblance of fairness... the alliance appeal will still exist from its gold / rep perks and even 3x honor is still better than 1.5x, so i dont think itll shift the population imbalance much
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