I don't know if it's possible for developers to make something that DPS cannot join as TANK, because I'm sick of retri paladins joining as tanks and ruining our RDF, the problem is that they won't even leave when we ask, tank spec is there for a reason...
I know that some people will say here "Search for groups or go with friends", that's not a problem, the problem is that DPS is joining as a TANK.
I hope that it's possible to make spec detection so the DPS spec won't be able to select to be a tank in RDF.
If it's not possible then can we report that for disrupting gameplay?
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Forbid DPS to join RDF as a TANK
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This sounds like you're a poor performing healer. If I queue as a full bis fury warrior or ret paladin, and I have a mix of pvp gear, tank gear and dps gear to provide highest amount of threat while also being uncritable "aka defense capped" and tanky enough to have 40k+ hp and 20k+ armor, then the only problem is you, the healer, being unable to heal a slightly squishier tank.
If you heal more than 3k heals per second, which means aslong as you hit your buttons and aren't braindead, you'll keep me alive as a tank.
Now if they're just full dps gear then they should be kicked/punished. But off-meta punishing is ridiculous.
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1. Your sounds are wrong, I'm playing a mage and hunter, I don't play healers.
2. No, the healer is not a problem, I had crap healers and crap tanks and everything was normal, I had like this people with bis ret palas join and they take insane dmg, so you want to say that because of them we need bis healer for rdf? common man... Tank role should be for tanks, not DPS, its made for a reason, not to showoff how you are "pro" and when it goes wrong then leaving or saying sorry...
3. By your reply, I see that you select tank role as a DPS thinking that its normal, you must understand that you wont find BIS healers most of the times in rdf, its not a raid, people are gearing their chars to get better, if you want to tank then get a tanking gear, dont ruin our gameplay.
4. This should be punishable, its also disrupting peoples gameplay.
What should now moonkin join as a healer, then a healer join as dps, that would be normal?
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As a healer, it's true that the dps that enter the dungeon in the tank role are a real problem.
Personally, I inspect when entering the dungeon, if the spec and the stuff is dps, I say it to everybody, I don't heal anything, I wait 5 min to be able to kick this bastard.
And we still have to wait 10min for a tank....so we wait twice.
This kind of behavior that harms the gameplay of the game as well as other players, should clearly be sanctioned.
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No the idea that I can join as a 6.7k fury warrior with tank/pvp and some dps gear, pull 13k dps while still being a stronger tank than every 3-4k gearscore tank is why I find your arguement invalid.
Every healer complaining I see tends to be deflecting the fact their healing is between 700 to 2200 heals per second, which is inadequate and incapable of healing any dungeon. You should not need a full bis tank to do rdf heroic. Like I said, if full dps it's disrupting gameplay, if it's an uncritable psuedo-tank holding aggro it's a skill issue on the healer
So you refuse to do your job, hold the dungeon group hostage, break the server rules, all for what? For someone playing off-meta? Not running the talents you want them to? You're breaking the tos and causing disrupting gameplay by holding your dungeon group hostage.
End of the day as a tank, the majority of people complaining about this are terrible healers who suck so badly they need to deflect their skill issues and blame others. Even healing a full dps "ret-ardin" you only need 4k heals per second, easily capable by any 4k+ geared healer.
Just press your buttons and stop complaining, like you said though "I refuse to heal cause they aren't doing literally everything I want them to do"
YOU are the problem, YOU need to do your job, YOU need to perform your job well. THIS is not an issue, is a rare occurance, and is only done by cocky bis players overgeared for the dungeon.
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Why is anything slightly inconvenient "disrupting gameplay" and deserves to be bannable?
When I played a resto druid, I loved when tanks on full DPS gear would join. It meant dungeons would end quicker. Those tanks also tend to pull faster. Not to say, queues will be faster too, most of the times the groups are lacking someone to enter the dungeon as a tank.
In fact I wish warlocks could queue as tanks, I miss the warlock tanks from TBC, along with the tears that often came with it.
Or, perhaps refusing to heal and halting the group for 15+ minutes is the most disruptive thing in your story?
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OP, when strong plate DPS guy joins as tank in RDF, it means run will be somewhat entertaining.
I love running Arms warr in RDF, and i always end up holding at least half of the pack in dungeon, since there is no aggro reduction talent in spec and high treat abilities are part of rotation. And high Arms in fact can tank any non-ICC dungeon thanks to HP pool and armor.
I agree that ret paladins running as tank in ICC dungeons is a problem, since they are squishy. But no, it doesn't deserve ban. You are making big deal out of it.
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Thank you for your replies.
Edited: July 11, 2023
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"YOU are the problem, YOU need to do your job, YOU need to perform your job well. THIS is not an issue, is a rare occurance, and is only done by cocky bis players overgeared for the dungeon."
And this, children, is why 9 out of 10 RDF is a complete horrorshow.. YOU, YOU, YOU..
It's always someone else, never your fault, never you that's in the wrong.
As a tank myself; tanking in RDF is insufferable! You simply don't deserve a proper tank. The disrespect and downright deplorable things you have to listen to. I have a select few I'm willing to tank for, everyone else can jump into the frozen sea.
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@Liep and? You sound more like a problem, than victim.
I have 3 tanks myself, and there is nothing stressful in tanking RDF at all.
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I'm neither, buddy. - I agree though; there's nothing stressful about tanking RDF. But that's not what I said though. I said it's insufferable.
A mage with +6k gs shows up and pops every single CD with a ninjapull, with two greengeared derps peddling for buffs. Meanwhile, the healer is in catform. Mage dies horribly, the two derps are still asking for buffs, one of them dead, and the healer in catform leaves. - They all blame you for being a bad tank. That's not stressful, that's ****ing insufferable.
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People being bad won't be stopped by implementing what the OG suggestion was. Nor do I think it's even possible.
Random Dude(tte) Finder. You never know who you'll get. If you want certain level of capability from a member, make a premade.
And what comes to accusations of being bad X/Y/Z, because others can't see the error in their ways, well why even bother trying to communicate.
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As a ret/unholy/fury/few times fdk dps-tank I completely disagree. lol For example, I did manage to tank Oculus as a 5.3k fdk(actually properly 5.3k geared fdk, not some gs nonsense).
I'll tell you exactly where the problem in such a comp is:
This. People refusing to think outside the box. "It's a game, I should have fun, not treat it as my job...". True, it's a game, but it's also a game that requires a certain amount of knowledge and thought process to play decent. So either zip it and play your class or find something less challenging to play like Solitaire.
Reason #2: I've been kicked out of my first few rdf hc groups as an actual prot paladin. What's the catch. I made that prot paladin with the idea of milking rdf normal content for tank gear. After I milked all possible tank items I ended up at ~2.9k gs and about 24k hp. Sounds hilarious right? First rdf hc I got was halls of lightning. The dps took ages to kill a boss that has 2 npc with him. They kicked me after boss died because "i was too low". :) So rather than pulling your own weight and playing your class, you press the queue button and instantly hope there's 4 bis toons to zoom through the dungeon while you scratch your sack in the back. No thanks. If I don't like something about a group, I leave it. 30 minutes of "walking it off" are much better than 10 minutes of getting insulted for, shocker, queueing dungeons to get gear...
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But that's the thing though; you DO have a job, or atleast a role, to play when grouping with other players. And if their role/responsibilities gets harder or more cumbersome, because you don't want to play yours properly, that's an issue!
So throwing a tantrum when being told to play your role, and blaming everyone else for being bad, just doesent fly! - Flip it 180; if a healer signed up and healed in damagespec, and was unable to do his job properly, would that be an issue? Obviously.. Same with cross-eyed derps who can hardly pull their own weight.
It all comes down to mutual respect, and the severe lack thereof! - Imo, the problem is not a designproblem, but a communityproblem.
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You are totally right, you should have fun in this game. Who cares if I play off-meta and go with dps spec. It's fun. That's why the next runs, I will queue as tank with dps spec and equip cloth and spellcaster items.
