Make vanilla like vanilla

[lkjhlkhguyfuigy]

First off great job removing the free songflower, however let's take it a few steps further:

1. Make songflower work like vanilla with a 25 minute cooldown.

2. Remove summoning inside instances (This was not a thing before deep into TBC.) The world is already dead as it is, there is no arena so there is no pvp outside of world pvp. Make raid groups run to raids or summon to raids in front of the raid. This way the pvpers can have fun forcing pvers to learn how to pvp.


I don't care so much about 1, but 2 really needs to be implemented. All of the PVE raids are basically exploiting by summoning INSIDE the raid WHICH SHOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE BTW.

Thank you

[LezChap1]

Every raid I've gone to, the only time we slip a warlock into the raid and summon everyone else in is when the PvPers are being relentless about not letting us past them to get into the raid, and we're already 30 minutes past our intended "first pull" start time.

Every other time, we use the stone, summon to the stone outside the instance, and run in...

I don't see the desperate need for #2 that you do. The outcome you're looking for is already in place. Unless you think you should be allowed to waste our ENTIRE night (instead of just getting a handful of minutes of your fun at our expense), in which case we'll just stop logging in altogether. And I'm one of those awful PvE players that avoids toxic PvP bullies that love to force themselves on everyone else.

[RuMadBro]

"Please let me grief other players and ruin their raids and experiences because I don't like the in-game mechanics"

[Obnoxious]

#1 would be a case of opening a report in the Bug Tracker if it isn't working correctly.
As for #2, while it isn't a thing until later, it was left in on purpose.

[Vegankiller]

As for #2, while it isn't a thing until later, it was left in on purpose.

If this is a bug but is now being considered a qol feature can we have an updated list of other qol features? We all assumed the northern songflower buff followed the same rules as instance summoning, a bug but a helpful one left alone.

[Obnoxious]

If this is a bug but is now being considered a qol feature can we have an updated list of other qol features? We all assumed the northern songflower buff followed the same rules as instance summoning, a bug but a helpful one left alone.

Those aren't the same or similar things. One is a buff that people recognized as bugged and working incorrectly by allowing it to be used without the expected steps, the other is a legitimate class ability, working the way it should, just being left active during a period when it shouldn't exist yet. It's comparable with RDF being active, not with some exploit.

As for an updated list, that wouldn't be with Forum Moderators. QAs might have that sort of specific information, I believe, so you could ask for that in the main announcement thread, where such list would belong.

[PorkBacon]

If this is a bug but is now being considered a qol feature can we have an updated list of other qol features? We all assumed the northern songflower buff followed the same rules as instance summoning, a bug but a helpful one left alone.

No dude, far from everyone considered the cleansed flower a QoL.

[GwynBleys]

The flower is your concern lol? This isnt vanilla anyway... its an even more water downed classic. The raids are a joke on this server.

[merkichmirnie]

"Please let me grief other players and ruin their raids and experiences because I don't like the in-game mechanics"

you obviously dont like the in-game mechanics either if you think killing another player on a pvp server griefing.