Current Situation about Blackrock TBC server Cross BGs with Onyxia.

[ejlan]

blackcooks blackcooks what u gonna do what u gonna do when they come for you blackcooks.


thanks staff of warmane for once again runing what could have been a good server. (frostmourne/icecrown trauma)
6k-12k pop? why on earth do u merge it with blackcook then?

RIP onyxia this **** didnt last long, u never had blackcooks on bgs on vanilla why the hell did they get implemented here now, i rather have 5 days BG queue for a single bg then geting those "i just made this toon, how do i drag abilities to the bar?" guys.

p.s join blackcook guys its amazing just press the starter gear npc and u can get anything u ever loved or wanted, whats the point playing onyxia when the foes im fighting got 20k gold can respec as much as they want have the ability to choose whatever set they want, unlimited food and drinks, respecs proffessions, epic flying 280% for free, free gems, enchants, free potions like super mana potion, super healing potion, and u can buy ur bags FULL! oh wait mana potion and healing potion shares CD? well fear not! on blackcook you can buy Super Rejuvenation Potion! why buy mana pots and healing pots when they share CD when u can just spam this all day long on blackcook im pretty sure everyone on onyxia got bags full with potions they are pretty cheap arent they. and best of all u can play vs onyxia freshly dinged ppl who spend time to level up characters.

EDIT: Looks like they can choose some nice HC gear aswell from marks i mean thats great! wooohooo even more balanced.

time it take on onyxia for a casual player ot hit 60 = few days at most + geting gear atleast few more dags
time it takes on blackcook for a hurra durra player = well no one the hardest part is which customizing ur going to choose on ur character but = avarge 3-5 mins per character


THANKS developers of warmane for not even leting TBC last a month without this plauge! jeez.....

blackcooks blackcooks what u gonna do what u gonna do when they come for you blackcooks

[RealSykon]

If they did it mid season or beginning of s2 it would be kind of alright, but not saying a thing about insta lvl 70 server and making people grind and level on onyxia just so they can release an insta level 70 server within a week of the release of onyxia just shows how clueless they are. Grinded days to get a 100% mount, np blackrock gets it for free. Grinding gear to get in hc dungeons to get your bis np blackrock gets it for some petty honor, crafting nades/pots, np blackrock gets it for free. Good job warmane

[Axciis]

There is already a Thread for crying in it, no need do open up another one: https://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=471270

[guildbank12]

to begin with i am not entirely sure if this is a troll post or not but let us go over some claims made in this post:

blackrock characters do not get free enchants, gems, reputation or professions.

they all cost honor or bg marks or a combination of both.

professions are currently not even in the game on blackrock

280% flying does not matter because there are no npcs available in the open world, you cant do anything besides bg / arena

was a nice read though, are you selling characters or any other shady services and this is why you went boom?

[arkyl35]

agreed its ******ed

[RealSykon]

Since you have no idea what you are talking about let me go step by step in proving you wrong.

On onyxia to get the gear equivalent to the one on blackrock, it takes few days of farming, while u get them for FREE there (don't forget trinkets for which sometimes there are 2-3 people rolling on). Best available gems cost 500 honor each and you get around 2,5k honor for a bg win on average which takes around 15-20 min, so for 1 win you can get 5 gems. How much gold do you think someone on onyxia has to farm to buy those 5 gems? Same thing with enchants which range from 1500-5000. How much gold does one need on Onyxia to buy those enchants, well u can do the math urself. Grinding attunements and getting gear to do heroics takes few days even for hardcore players while on blackrock you can do a daily that requires 5 badges so meaning 2 wins in a BG which is less then an hour of playtime and you are GUARANTEED an item. Profession gear is coming out soon as well, so that will also be a huge advantage. 280% flying is irrelevant but 100% ground speed mount is not and that costs around 620+ gold which is basically most of the gold that you earn from leveling. So on onyxia when you get to 70 not only u have to grind attunements, professions and gear but on top of that you have to farm gold to buy all of the stuff that you need in arena, while on blackrock you just do few BGs that you can basically AFK and get rewarded. If blackrock was released mid-season that would be a different story but there is a clear and distinct advantage here.

Nice try tho guildbank12, better luck next time.

[Trasheye123]

Lemme tell u this, so far.. Blackrock players are absolute HORRIBLE. Alliance rn is 70% blackrock and they are just.. not doing anything. it feels rigged.

[harrpaniz1]

Since you have no idea what you are talking about let me go step by step in proving you wrong.

On onyxia to get the gear equivalent to the one on blackrock, it takes few days of farming, while u get them for FREE there (don't forget trinkets for which sometimes there are 2-3 people rolling on). Best available gems cost 500 honor each and you get around 2,5k honor for a bg win on average which takes around 15-20 min, so for 1 win you can get 5 gems. How much gold do you think someone on onyxia has to farm to buy those 5 gems? Same thing with enchants which range from 1500-5000. How much gold does one need on Onyxia to buy those enchants, well u can do the math urself. Grinding attunements and getting gear to do heroics takes few days even for hardcore players while on blackrock you can do a daily that requires 5 badges so meaning 2 wins in a BG which is less then an hour of playtime and you are GUARANTEED an item. Profession gear is coming out soon as well, so that will also be a huge advantage. 280% flying is irrelevant but 100% ground speed mount is not and that costs around 620+ gold which is basically most of the gold that you earn from leveling. So on onyxia when you get to 70 not only u have to grind attunements, professions and gear but on top of that you have to farm gold to buy all of the stuff that you need in arena, while on blackrock you just do few BGs that you can basically AFK and get rewarded. If blackrock was released mid-season that would be a different story but there is a clear and distinct advantage here.

Nice try tho guildbank12, better luck next time.

Will you apologize to guildbank12 if i send you the armory of a character on Onyxia wearing gear that is so good it is currently unobtainable on Blackrock because of how expensive it is, showing that the advantage (especially in arenas) is in fact playing on Onyxia and not on Blackrock?

[RealSykon]

So let me get this straight, just because 0,01% players were able to get that, you are drawing a conclusion that the rest 99,99% of playerbase can do the same? What kind of nonsense is that? Have you even played on Onyxia? That small minority doesn't represent the true state of the realm and people playing there and what they have done by releasing an instant lvl 70 realm so early. We are talking about time investment and effort it took compared to people that immediately started off with lvl 70 char, 100% mount and way better gear and have it 10 times easier because all it takes is farming honor in BGs which we all know u can AFK in and not get punished. It's like saying if gingi and rest of the echo sweatlords managed to get their full hc bis in a week and then afterwards managed to clear an entire raid in one mythic lockout, rest of the playerbase should be able to replicate that. You know, not all of us live off of social wellfare and most people I've met here are people with 9-5 jobs.

[harrpaniz1]

So let me get this straight, just because 0,01% players were able to get that, you are drawing a conclusion that the rest 99,99% is the same? What kind of nonsense is that? Have you even played on Onyxia? That small minority doesn't represent the true state of the realm and people playing there and what they have done by releasing an instant lvl 70 realm so early. We are talking about time investment and effort it took compared to people that immediately started off with lvl 70 char, 100% mount and way better gear and have it 10 times easier because all it takes is farming honor in BGs which we all know u can AFK in and not get punished. It's like saying if gingi and rest of the echo sweatlords managed to get their full hc bis in a week and then afterwards managed to clear an entire raid in one mythic lockout, rest of the playerbase should be able to replicate that. You know, not all of us live off of social wellfare and most people I've met here are people with 9-5 jobs.

I don't know who you think you're talking to, but it's not me because you are responding to things I have never said.

It really is not my problem if you dont have the time or the interest to get geared when it's avaliable to you. You don't see me whining about not having better gear on Blackrock, I chose not to play more and as such I don't have better gear, such is life. Im merely stating a fact, Onyxia players have had time and preparation to be able to instantly buy very good level 70 gear that is not currently avaliable to people on Blackrock. This, to me, is fine, because I don't expect a BG to be completely fair or balanced, no expansion has been.

You are right, people on Onyxia spend gold while people on Blackrock spend honor, but your argument can be inverted and is more or less completely invalid. Example: Onyxia players have had so much time to get gold that they can just buy everything they want, cause there is so much gold in circulation. On Blackrock you cant just buy honor for real money and everyone started at zero, as such it takes quite a bit more effort to get enchanted and gemmed on Blackrock.

Also you didnt answer my question: Will you apologize, if i can show you that you are completely wrong about the advantages of playing on Blackrock by sending you the armory of someone with gear that cannot be obtained on Blackrock?

[RealSykon]

Basically, what you're saying is that everyone here played Classic and had a whole year to prepare for this. What about people who came here during the pre-patch or just for TBC arena? How exactly were they supposed to get so much gold to get everything, such as the case for the guy you mentioned above? Have you thought about that? Also, they announced Blackrock way too late, and no one really knew it would be like this, otherwise most of the PvP players I know who leveled up on Onyxia would have just waited for Blackrock and not waste their time on Onyxia. Your argument only holds true under the assumption that people have been playing on Onyxia since day one, so they had time to prepare. However, I assure you, most of the serious PvP players came specifically for TBC in the pre-patch when nothing was really selling well on AH therefore making some serious gold was next to impossible. Since you are our Forum Veteran you had probably seen people complaining about that on the forums. I'll repeat it again: if they had released Blackrock mid-season, things would have been fine, but releasing it in the first week was a slap in the face to everyone's effort and time spent. And once again, we are talking about arenas here, BGs are irrelevant and will always be unbalanced because you never know if you will be facing people in full green's or full bis. People are complaining about the arena environment. When fresh lvl 70's from onyxia queue against fresh 70's from Blackrock, blackrock ones have the upper hand by a mile.

[harrpaniz1]

Basically, what you're saying is that everyone here played Classic and had a whole year to prepare for this. What about people who came here during the pre-patch or just for TBC arena? How exactly were they supposed to get so much gold to get everything, such as the case for the guy you mentioned above? Have you thought about that? Also, they announced Blackrock way too late, and no one really knew it would be like this, otherwise most of the PvP players I know who leveled up on Onyxia would have just waited for Blackrock and not wasted their time on Onyxia. Your argument only holds true under the assumption that people have been playing on Onyxia since day one, so they had time to prepare. However, I assure you, most of the serious PvP players came specifically for TBC in the pre-patch when nothing was really selling well on AH therefore making some serious gold was next to impossible. Since you are our Forum Veteran you had probably seen people complaining about that on the forums. I'll repeat it again: if they had released Blackrock mid-season, things would have been fine, but releasing it in the first week was a slap in the face to everyone's effort and time spent. And once again, we are talking about arenas here, BGs as irrelevant and will always be unbalanced because you never know if you will be facing people in full green's or full bis. In the arena environment when a fresh lvl 70 from onyxia queues against fresh chars from Blackrock, blackrock players will have the upper hand by a mile.

Once again, your literacy fails you my friend. I showed how your argument can be turned on it's head and that saying "you just pay with honor" is a silly excuse you are using, because "you just pay with gold" could be used to explain what people on Onyxia are doing. Why should Blackrock players get punished because Onyxia players didnt have the foresight and the planning to save up gold and honor in advance? Its your argument, but turned on its head, used as an example to show how silly it is.

"Also, they announced Blackrock way too late" - This is just opinion. Again, if your friends didnt like progression, they shouldnt have played on a progression realm. You win some you lose some. Im missing out on better gear because i didn't chose progression, your friends are missing out on instant dungeon blues because they chose progression, such is life. Your friends can also just hop on Blackrock, by the way. Its instant :)

"However, I assure you, most of the serious PvP players came specifically for TBC in the pre-patch" - I can assure you the opposite, all my sources tell me that most players were on Onyxia since week one. Which one of us is right? How do we settle this now? We don't, thats why anecdotes have little to no value.

"Since you are our Forum Veteran you had probably seen people complaining about that on the forums." - Nope. Don't really care about what goes on on Onyxia, not really my cup of tea.

"And once again, we are talking about arenas here" - You mean that place where Onyxia players have the upper hand by having better gear, gear not yet avaliable to Blackrock players? If you are saying that Blackrock players are somehow more talented at the game then thats fine, thats your opinion, i disagree though. Also the arena season just started, who cares what arenas look like right now?

Last opportunity; Are you gonna apologize to the person you tried to mislead earlier and should i send you the geared Onyxia players who have gear not yet obtainable on Blackrock or are you taking back your statement?

[RealSykon]

I can see you never touched PvP ,you're here just for the memes. "Why should Blackrock players get punished because Onyxia players didnt have the foresight and the planning to save up gold and honor in advance? Its your argument, but turned on its head, used as an example to show how silly it is." I mean this is literal braindead statement, PvP players came for TBC arena no serious pvper would grind hours of classic on a private server just to have an edge when the TBC releases. They haven't announced blackrock on time and then proceeded to give them better starting gear and everything available just for honor. You are not turning anything on its head, you are just spitting random bull**** while having 0 knowledge of pvp and its playerbase.

Also, your statement about "most players on Onyxia being there since week one" has nothing to do with that I said. If you think a serious PvPer cares about farming BGs in classic then you clearly aren't one and don't know anyone who is actually good at the game, pvp wise ofc. Also, saying that Onyxia players have the upper hand by having better gear is literally the opposite of what majority of people are complaining. Blackrock people start with full blues from dungeons while onyxia people start with terrible gear from quests. Again when u said the arena just started who cares what arenas look like right now, clearly tells me that u have absolutely zero clue about arena because if you knew how arena worked u would know that first few arena point flushes are most important to get enough points to be able to get good gear and climb high on the ladder.

I'm not gonna apologize for anything, you both have no idea what you are talking about and this is my last reply on this topic. You clearly proved that you have no idea how pvp should look like.

[Illdryalle]

I'am agree with OP.
THANKS warmane to kill the pvp on Onyxia.

[TeeLoW87]

Likewise, I agree completely with OP and realsykon.