WotLK The disease of PvP multiboxing

[RapidSausage]

I played my first WG and few BGs today, and in almost every one of them i came across a multiboxer that was incredibly annoying to deal with (especially annoying when it's a donor).

I'm completely ok with PVE multiboxing, but in PvP this is simply extremely frustrating, is it not enough that there’s plenty of SM and donor gear premades??

Players make mistakes and vary in skill, by letting multiboxers roam around in addition to donors you're allowing them to eliminate a large portion of the risk factor and teamwork of pvp combat, which is just not cool, i'd go as far as saying it's pay 2 win.

I understand that warmane need to pay bills n all that, but why are they willing to do so through indirectly ruining the pvp experience for everyone who's not one of their "whales"??, warmane needs to put some rules for pvp multiboxing at the very least, cuz right now it's more like the most annoying PVE raid boss ever.

[crafter1992]

I've been asking for a poll on main page to decide wheter or not it should be allowed. Warmane wouldn't listen. 90% of the server want's multi-boxing prohibited.

[Endarn0]

I played my first WG and few BGs today, and in almost every one of them i came across a multiboxer that was incredibly annoying to deal with (especially annoying when it's a donor).

I'm completely ok with PVE multiboxing, but in PvP this is simply extremely frustrating, is it not enough that there’s plenty of SM and donor gear premades??

Players make mistakes and vary in skill, by letting multiboxers roam around in addition to donors you're allowing them to eliminate a large portion of the risk factor and teamwork of pvp combat, which is just not cool, i'd go as far as saying it's pay 2 win.

I understand that warmane need to pay bills n all that, but why are they willing to do so through indirectly ruining the pvp experience for everyone who's not one of their "whales"??, warmane needs to put some rules for pvp multiboxing at the very least, cuz right now it's more like the most annoying PVE raid boss ever.

You two are nabs.
What are want from mutliboxers?

[Jakkre]

Whats the name of the multiboxer that makes u cry so hard?

[DakMonkey]

I played my first WG and few BGs today, and in almost every one of them i came across a multiboxer that was incredibly annoying to deal with (especially annoying when it's a donor).

I'm completely ok with PVE multiboxing, but in PvP this is simply extremely frustrating, is it not enough that there’s plenty of SM and donor gear premades??

Players make mistakes and vary in skill, by letting multiboxers roam around in addition to donors you're allowing them to eliminate a large portion of the risk factor and teamwork of pvp combat, which is just not cool, i'd go as far as saying it's pay 2 win.

I understand that warmane need to pay bills n all that, but why are they willing to do so through indirectly ruining the pvp experience for everyone who's not one of their "whales"??, warmane needs to put some rules for pvp multiboxing at the very least, cuz right now it's more like the most annoying PVE raid boss ever.

Were you surprised when you realized that it's pay 2 win? I mean, isn't it pretty obvious? Ofcourse it's pay to win, if you can buy stuff like shadowmourne.

Your post sounds like it has little to do with multiboxing to be honest. You're annoyed, because you lost to a premade (in this case a multiboxer), if it was a premade of 5 players (or however many characters the multiboxer had) you would've lost even harder. It sounds like you're annoyed that your pug lost to a premade, but I have no idea why, isn't it normal that a pug loses against a premade?

The 2 main "issues" that pop in your post is Donor p2w stuff and multiboxing, which is why I suggest that you reroll to Lordearon, there's not that many multiboxers there and you can't purchase BiS gear from shop there either.

And yes, multiboxers have good teamwork, but they don't have as good control as singlebox-premade. It has always been Communication vs. Control when talking about multiboxing and if it's fair or not. If you look at it closely and think it through, you will most likely end up with the conclusion that single-box premade will have the advantage. I'll give you an example: Multiboxer will never be spread out all over the BG, but a premade can callout targets and improve their communication to near perfection.

[RapidSausage]

Were you surprised when you realized that it's pay 2 win? I mean, isn't it pretty obvious? Ofcourse it's pay to win, if you can buy stuff like shadowmourne.

Your post sounds like it has little to do with multiboxing to be honest. You're annoyed, because you lost to a premade (in this case a multiboxer), if it was a premade of 5 players (or however many characters the multiboxer had) you would've lost even harder. It sounds like you're annoyed that your pug lost to a premade, but I have no idea why, isn't it normal that a pug loses against a premade?

The 2 main "issues" that pop in your post is Donor p2w stuff and multiboxing, which is why I suggest that you reroll to Lordearon, there's not that many multiboxers there and you can't purchase BiS gear from shop there either.

And yes, multiboxers have good teamwork, but they don't have as good control as singlebox-premade. It has always been Communication vs. Control when talking about multiboxing and if it's fair or not. If you look at it closely and think it through, you will most likely end up with the conclusion that single-box premade will have the advantage. I'll give you an example: Multiboxer will never be spread out all over the BG, but a premade can callout targets and improve their communication to near perfection.

I have no problem with legitimate premades, and yes it is annoying to fight donors, but that's not what i hate, it is donors and non-donors who multibox.

A single box premade requires communication between players to be effective, but with a multiboxer "premade" the whole communication part is cut out and shifted to clever hotkey setup, combine this with taking out the gearscore diversity in rbg (a multiboxer can queue 5x toons with 5.5k+gs while still being purposed to serve 1 player) and a person can eliminate a huge chunk of risk factors from rbg while serving that single person, so we end up with a glorified raid boss battle with adds.

[ColdHuh90]

Were you surprised when you realized that it's pay 2 win? I mean, isn't it pretty obvious? Ofcourse it's pay to win, if you can buy stuff like shadowmourne.

Your post sounds like it has little to do with multiboxing to be honest. You're annoyed, because you lost to a premade (in this case a multiboxer), if it was a premade of 5 players (or however many characters the multiboxer had) you would've lost even harder. It sounds like you're annoyed that your pug lost to a premade, but I have no idea why, isn't it normal that a pug loses against a premade?

The 2 main "issues" that pop in your post is Donor p2w stuff and multiboxing, which is why I suggest that you reroll to Lordearon, there's not that many multiboxers there and you can't purchase BiS gear from shop there either.

And yes, multiboxers have good teamwork, but they don't have as good control as singlebox-premade. It has always been Communication vs. Control when talking about multiboxing and if it's fair or not. If you look at it closely and think it through, you will most likely end up with the conclusion that single-box premade will have the advantage. I'll give you an example: Multiboxer will never be spread out all over the BG, but a premade can callout targets and improve their communication to near perfection.

Yeah, suggest a player who is too lazy/stupid(or both) to counter mbx to go to the hardcore realm.

[DakMonkey]

I have no problem with legitimate premades, and yes it is annoying to fight donors, but that's not what i hate, it is donors and non-donors who multibox.

A single box premade requires communication between players to be effective, but with a multiboxer "premade" the whole communication part is cut out and shifted to clever hotkey setup, combine this with taking out the gearscore diversity in rbg (a multiboxer can queue 5x toons with 5.5k+gs while still being purposed to serve 1 player) and a person can eliminate a huge chunk of risk factors from rbg while serving that single person, so we end up with a glorified raid boss battle with adds.

What are the "Risk factors" you are talking about?

5x singleboxers can queue 5x toons with 5.5k+gs as well while still being purposed to server 1 group.

Yes. like I said, it's communication vs control.

And yes, multiboxers have good teamwork, but they don't have as good control as singlebox-premade. It has always been Communication vs. Control when talking about multiboxing and if it's fair or not. If you look at it closely and think it through, you will most likely end up with the conclusion that single-box premade will have the advantage. I'll give you an example: Multiboxer will never be spread out all over the BG, but a premade can callout targets and improve their communication to near perfection.

Multiboxers have perfect communication, but control over your characters when you multibox is very limited compared to singlebox premade. Simple things like CCing and interrupting become much harder when you multibox. Singlebox premades require communication to be effective and multibox premades require a lot of setup to be kind of effective and even with a lot setup with macros and programs and everything multibox-premade wont be as effective as singlebox-premade. I really don't see why you think that multiboxers are more annoying to deal with than singlebox-premades. Maybe you treat them as a single player/character, when in fact you should treat them as a premade?

EDIT: I wrote a little thread about multiboxing and how its done and why its done and why its allowed and stuff, you can find it here: http://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=330004 It might give you some understanding over this discussion and maybe show multiboxers in a new light and possibly give you some ideas on how to deal with them.

[Jakkre]

I really don't see why you think that multiboxers are more annoying to deal with than singlebox-premades.

"RapidSausage" is probably one of these hereos who doesnt care about the bg objectives but is just brainless pvping and then gets mad that he cant beat the multiboxer in 1v5.
If he would care about the BG objective he would understands that multiboxing is only a disadvantge in BGs and its easy to outplay them and win.
It isnt necessary to dominate the fight to win a bg.

[TheArtfulDodger]

but control over your characters when you multibox is very limited compared to singlebox premade. Simple things like CCing and interrupting become much harder when you multibox.

Yes but this isn't really important when you can simply insta kill a target with 10-20 instant casts (flame shock/IDP etc.)

Multiboxers bring in donations but they really are ruining the quality of PvP on this server. Right now Warmane has a choice whether it want's to salvage the quality of their server, or make a little bit extra in donations from these preferred customers.

Sadly considering the history with shadowmourne I expect the priority to be only the money.

[Zhul]

Let's take a quick look from Warmane's point of view, please...

Donations are Warmane's only source of income (as far as I know, anyways). I'm not sure if people realize what it means
to host and maintain a MMORPG infrastructure. It's no easy task, and it is extremely expensive. This doesn't even include the salaries of
employees, developers, etc.
This server really, REALLY depends on the amount of donations.

What does this server offer to a non-donor?
As you can see, we do have a pretty high population here, firm community.
We can all agree that Warmane is not 100% stable, but then again it's quite
obvious that this server is improving and growing at a very fast pace...
It's becoming more and more stable with every update applied, and yet
they still allow us to choose whether to donate or not.

Warmane allows us to be a part of something that would otherwise be fairly unaffordable for like at least 40-45%
of this server's total population, and they give that to us for free.

The conclusion:

Money being the priority isn't a matter of greed, here... It's a matter of necessity, whether you want to believe it or not.

So you lost some WGs/BGs...big deal, so did we all (including non-donors, donors AND multiboxers)

Try to find something else to do while the mbox is around, he ain't staying online forever.

Peace

[myataiko1]

Money being the priority isn't a matter of greed, here... It's a matter of necessity, whether you want to believe it or not.

First rule of any buiseness project - be attractive for customers. Let's say, for major part of the customers.
According to official wow forum, multiboxing is a pain in the *** for many people, but Warmane allows that.
Basicly they are reducing project's attractiveness in cost of limited moneys income from multiboxers.
But if multiboxer moneys are limited (they have donated years ago and new income of new multiboxers is dramatically low), god knows how many people refused to play here (and donate as result) just because they do not like multiboxing idea in pvp.

This information is confidential, but i bet multiboxers are about 1-2% of all moneys Warmane has recieved from community.
No. Lower.

[Jakkre]

According to official wow forum, multiboxing is a pain in the *** for many people, but Warmane allows that.

Multiboxer hate threads dont represent the opinion of the whole community but only of a few haters.
The majority has hardly encountered a multiboxer at all and is not affected nor cares about multiboxing.
Then there are these few haters who are always so loud that they think they represent the community in its whole.
When u check our rage threads here ull notice that the same haters keep posting again and again. They keep spreading their propaganda for several pages in the hope to convince other ppl to join the hate train.

[myataiko1]

but only of a few haters.

I would provide 100099907 links form official forum with absolutely different players complaining, but ... w/e.
Horde players lingering around defending multiboxers for obvious reasons: there are no multiboxers on alliance side to worry about,while horde multiboxers provide VOA. Surelly no1 from horde will complain about.
Switch to the ally side and make whole faction pvp community hate you within few days.

That reminded me situation with hackers on old Molten.
Team with a hacker, who works for win, barely complains, while opposite team butthurts much. On the next random BG hacker changes team and situations turns opposite.

When u check our rage threads here ull notice that the same haters keep posting again and again.

Thats because Warmane will not change multiboxer politic and people do not bother to report it or really discuss.
Last vote topic about multiboxing they have lost 70-30. Take a note, it was not a serious one, and people did not vote sincerely. I remember how i clicked "pls allow mboxing" just to check current state of voting.

[Jakkre]

I would provide 100099907 links form official forum with absolutely different players complaining, but ... w/e.

Retrail has millions of players. Ofc there are enough drama queens to open a bunch of hate threads.