Crit or Haste / Troll or Orc

[Akali12]

Strength crt or strength haste over competitive environment.
And Troll or Orc at the end game gears (over 6.4k gs). Which is better for unholy dk?

[SilverFlash]

For yellow sockets IF the bonus is worth it 10str+10 haste for single target,10str+crit for aoe.

For the race,it's been argued over and over,it's either,you're not gonna lose a noticable amount of dps compared to picking other races.

[Akali12]

Thank for the info <3

[Black2ck]

Orc is better than Troll for all DK specs.
The extra expertise, extra AP and increased pet dmg just outweigh the extra haste of trolls.
Anybody who disagrees on that hasn't calculated it or has a serious dyscalculia.

[OhieMitzen]

Orc is better than Troll for all DK specs.
The extra expertise, extra AP and increased pet dmg just outweigh the extra haste of trolls.
Anybody who disagrees on that hasn't calculated it or has a serious dyscalculia.

Is it because you say so, or because there are actually calculations from different sources proving that?

Not that interested myself, just bit curious which race would actually be better. Would roll Blood Elf anyway, or even Undead.. Though Draenei would have horns, hooves and tail..

[SilverFlash]

Is it because you say so, or because there are actually calculations from different sources proving that?

Not that interested myself, just bit curious which race would actually be better. Would roll Blood Elf anyway, or even Undead.. Though Draenei would have horns, hooves and tail..

It's hard,bc the situations aren't static. You can create scenarios in which one takes the lead over the other.

Orc has 3 mediocre racials for unholy,while troll has one,but really good(let's not talk about the beast slaying meme racial). Expertise is one of the worst stats as unholy,the ap racial is mediocre,and the bonus pet damage is so garbage you'd have to afk the fights to notice it.

Troll's berserking is really good,and as an added bonus the gargoyle can snapshot the cast speed increase(and both have the same cd so they work well together). However,it's still a long cd,but great for burst and for the few longer fights, you can use it multiple times anyways.


Personally,since Troll has proven to be the best pve racial for all classes,i'm a big supporter of them.
However,the difference is really negligible,so you can just pick by looks. If only trolls would show the boots they wear... Sadge

[Bastardbottle]

I highly doubt pet dmg is negligible for uh, maybe for aoe fights but on single target its there and increasing pet dmg is a clear bonus unlike frost or blood dps. Expertisewise I kinda agree with uh, its very minor buff, more suited for fdk s though I dont know if its better/worse than troll since autos on this spec is 2nd dmg source right after obliterate.

[SilverFlash]

I highly doubt pet dmg is negligible for uh, maybe for aoe fights but on single target its there and increasing pet dmg is a clear bonus unlike frost or blood dps.

The ghoul's damage increased by Command is worth two-three autoattacks for a RS25 heroic encounter using Cryptmaker HC as a weapon(i was in the twilight realm,so no aoe). Yes,it's that bad(as Bryntroll or Shadowmourne would mean it's worth even less). And the gargoyle does way more with Berserking than with Command(if it even works with Command,i'm not sure,at one point summons/constructs that weren't pemanent didn't get the 5% bonus damage).

Proc weapons(Bryntroll/Shadowmourne) also benefit more from Berserking.

[Bastardbottle]

The ghoul's damage increased by Command is worth two-three autoattacks

Which is normal according the length of the fight, racials doesnt add that much of damage all the time, ex; for hunter troll berserking only adds 1autoshot per 3mins, which is noticable as does these extra 5-15k extra ghoul damage. And for the rest of your comment, I only clarified that command part is not waste, nothing related of what you wrote.

[Black2ck]

Is it because you say so, or because there are actually calculations from different sources proving that?

It was calculated on the theorycrafting site Elitist Jerks which is sadly no longer accessible.

But it's also not too hard to figgure it out on your own:
The average boss encounter is 7 min long which means that blood fury can be used 4 and the troll racial 3 times.
That translates into a average of 46 ap from blood fury and a average of 36 haste from troll.
To compare the stats of orc vs troll it's:
+5% pet dmg, 41 expertice rating, 46 ap vs 36 haste

The value of expertice shouldn't be underestimated.
As a BiS geared UH DK 1 haste has a stat weight of 2.97 and 1 expertice 1.97. Source: https://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=326654
Means 1 haste gives ~33% more dps than 1 expertice.
So 41 exp from Axe Specialization is as good as 27 haste.

When we subtract that it comes down to:
+5% pet dmg, 46 ap vs 9 haste

I guess that makes it quite obvious that the orc racial is superior.

[Persivaln]

7minute encounter is a joke. Only LK, PP and LDW can last for so long. On LDW it is burst phases between adds. On PP your AP bonus and other things lose to trolls snapshoted gargoyle. On LK it is pure RNG.
Sims are not the answer, they may provide some useful information to help with priority, but if fight is not 10 minute long DPS race on static target, sims can go and eat whatever they find in trashcan