Hey everyone,
I want to bring up something that has been bothering me for a long time. Why is it that on Icecrown, honestly one of the fastest and most forgiving servers, newer players still get shut out of content so hard?
I have seen it over and over. Someone with around 4.8k GS, which is basically where you have to start raiding like ToC, tries to join a group and just gets instantly declined because they are not 5.5k or higher. No discussion, no chance, just ignored.
It honestly makes the game feel stale and kind of depressing. It is like trying to get your first job and every listing wants years of experience, but how are you supposed to get that experience if no one lets you in?
People always say just join a guild, but even there you run into the same thing, guilds asking for 5.6k GS minimum. Or make your own group, but if you are new and doing the raid for the first time, how are you supposed to lead it?
Another thing that stands out is how focused many long time players are on efficiency. People are running multiple characters, trying to optimize every minute, and that becomes the priority. But when it comes to welcoming a new player, suddenly no one wants to spend even a few extra minutes explaining things or taking a slightly slower run. It feels like some seasoned players would rather save ten minutes than help someone new actually get into the game.
At the end of the day, this feels like a community problem. This kind of gatekeeping just pushes new players away, and that is not good for anyone.
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Raid entry paradox
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Short answer: It is what it is, find a guild who would take newcomers to raiding.
Long asnwer: It's not a server issue, it's more of how the gaming culture has evolved over the years. You notice the same behaviour( efficency, stricntess, no tolerance for mistakes) in other games like retail, LoL, Dota, etc.
Since warmane has been out so long, it's basically an endgame server. Everyone tries to min/max like crazy and they look mostly for ppl with high GS.
But a lot of times on Icecrown, ppl with high GS are generally bad, that's why you see such big demands in terms of GS, to compensate for their stupidity. Both raid leaders and raid participants can be *****s, the paticipants having double use trinkets, wrong gems and talents and the leaders for tolerating them into his group.
As you said above, normally you could do icc10/25 most of it with 4.5-4.8k gs on nm difficulty or toc10/25 with 4k gs per raid pariticpant, if they performed decently. But this is the gaming culture we live in, it's not about enjoying the ride, it's just about finishing it as soon as possible.
And as a consequence that's why you have gs whores in your raids/dungeons. Hunters with spellower mail items, casters/rogues with boe str rings from icc, hell, I even saw tanks in cloth/plate intellect boe gear in HOR HC these days.
All I can say to you, look harder for entry-game guilds, like-minded as you.Edited: 4 Weeks Ago
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Well technically Icecrown is the most "Warmane" realm in warmane. And i mean in the worst aspect of it because all what is bad about warmane is concetrated in icecrown realm.
And yes unfriendly for new players insane GS demands is the worst aspect of Icecrown realm that also caused other issues like "GS whores" and flood of bad players with gear from item shop, and from that moment both issues escalate because of each other because Raid leaders demand more absurd GS pushes away new players while leaving only people who simply buy gear with real money from item shop, veterans who have gear and know how to play simply leave because they have nothing to do and thye are replaced with bad players with item shop gear, and so raid leaders to compensate for that decided to pump up GS requirement even more which pushes away new players that want to earn gear instead of buying it for real money. And guess what, this problem will not go away unless warmane team starts baning people for demanding absurd amount of GS for any raid, but that wont happen for obvious reasons.
If you are a new player and you want to play on icecrown, you gonna have a bad time. Unless you get lucky and some guild will adopt you and help you get that sweet gear. Which doesn;t happen so most of players will start to play, get max gear from heroic dungeons and then they get stuck in progress because of GS requirements unless they decide to open their wallets.
Warmane team was aware that they had to do something with that so they regurarly open a seasonal realm where new poeple can lvl up and gear up and then their fully geared characters are transfered to icecrown. This realm was named "Frostmourne" but right now they decided to replace it with "Onyxia" that is an progressive realm from vanilla up to wotlk and currently it is at ulduar, so if you want to play on warmane, you should definitely move to onyxia and play here and gear up.
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Pugs are like that, you rarely find a raid leader who invites you for toc10 with a gs lower than 5k.
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