I started leveling a shaman, he is almost 85, i want to know, are ench shamans always welcome in raids? or is ele better than ench?
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Are ench shamans wanted in PVE raids?
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BlmaestroGuest
On standstill tank and spank fight, enhancement will beat elemental hands down. Elemental has the advantage of range and mobility (thanks to Unleashed lightning glyph), plus on-demand burst.
A well-played enhancement shaman is welcome in raids, however since most of your buffs are provided by class/specs that are very commonly played (20% melee ap? - blood dk or pala; 10% melee haste? - survival hunter or frost dk; strength + agi buff? - war, dk), you actually don't bring much to the average raid except for your own dps.
Therefore, you will need to do tip top dps to validate your raid spot. I suggest you to really practice and master your class in terms of maximizing your dps (enh shamans are actually very good if you can navigate the fairly tricky priority list) before committing to raids. However, I suggest keeping a resto or ele offspec; both of these are always highly sought after.
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I always find it funny when people that don't usually pvp have 2 dps specs or even 2 healing specs.
Even in the most organized guilds... it rare this is necessary.
So to classes that can perform more than 1 role, just get both.
In this case, always keep the healing spec on hand, you can't go wrong with it.
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I'm an Enhancement shaman on Sargeras realm and believe me, it's not common for you as an enhancement shaman to be rejected because of most, if not all, people look down upon PvE Enha and takes them only for PvP.
I myself usually tops dps on raids, particularly on FL.
Only those better geared and good warr/dk beats me by a few thousands. (5k dps at most)
in overall dps we do, as long as you can follow the roation, will be at the high end of dps meters. :cool:
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I have to agree, elemental shamans are more welcome to 10 man raids, because they just contribute so much to the raid's success. 5% crit, 10% SP, a variety of totems and a fairly high damage if played right. + They have pretty decent offhealing. Who would not want that?
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SirQuorionGuest
Similar to Spriests, both of Shaman DPS spec are very very rarely rejected to go on raids. You don't *have* to use all the time the Agi/Str + ASpeed totem combination. You can provide a variety of totem buffs from Armor, Mana Regen to Spellhaste to supply the missing buffs on your raid.
You got everything you usually give covered? 20% AP, 550 Str/Agi and 10% AS? But your raid is missing a Spriest and a Paladin?
Change your totems to +Armor and +Spell Haste rather than the usual ones, try to fill up the missing buffs, tell to your raid and you'll gain the apreciation of your fellow raiders.
The other primordial totem on raid, that people always overlook is Healing Stream Totem. This thing is so stupid on PvE is not even funny. As a Rshaman, Healing stream totem always ends up above the +15% of your healing done on AoE fights.
Even as a non-healer shaman, Healing Stream Totem is stupid powerful, hours ago, an Ench shaman from my guild did 500k Healing / 2300 HPS during the Ragnaros Encounter... For a Dps, this is RIDICULOUS. Always put down Healing Stream.
There is no real reason to reject a Shaman for raids unless you have too many, just make sure to learn your class properly, know the fights and max your Dps, and you'll be taken for raids in your guild.
BONUS: As a side note, Elemental shamans are considerably easier to play, since their are ranged and their rotation is braindead. Plus they bring a more "unique" buff... the 10% SP, which only Demono Warlocks also give.
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rotation is braindead yet so many people fail hard at ele and end up speccing enhance or resto instead.
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383.3 ilvl in pvp gear(full ruthless obviously + agility scroll) - 1508 in 2 seconds = 754HPS ... i wonder how that enha was geared, full raid finder gear or wut, to pull 2.3k hps ? since its 4.6k tick in 2 seconds .. with few parts pve gear+ agillity trinkets = 5738 agi = 1737 per 2sec.. 2.3k hps from a totem alone in mpds spec... even if to count all raid buffs, with current gear 4.5.4.8k per tick sounds a bit op as enha..Even as a non-healer shaman, Healing Stream Totem is stupid powerful, hours ago, an Ench shaman from my guild did 500k Healing / 2300 HPS
maybe he was using MW procs to heal with healing rain, chain healing / GHW ?
364ilvl pve gear (with pvp parts) as resto , self buffed - 2156 per 2s = ~1078 hps from totem ..
please, do not forget, that this totem does not benefit from crit / haste rating, so flurry / other haste increasing buffs / proccs cannot increase it's hps, it can only benefit-off agility, via mental Quickness.. (atleast i think so..)
this can be wrote only by a fail elemental. no offense.so many people fail hard at ele and end up speccing enhance or resto instead
OT: in a stand-alone fight, on a non-moving target, same geared enha/ele .. i think enha will beat ele in sustained damage, also please, do not forget about highly bugged fulmination damage, which alone can increase damage output by recount / skada data greatly.
I agree with "CatatonicPotato" for most of the part.
offtop: TheFinalSigma, gj copycat :D
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not sure how you would come to that conclusion since i see it all the time. also since i'm far from a fail ele shaman, i'm not sure if what you said actually means anything.
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Last time I checked a raid had 10-25 people not just 1 and Healing stream heals 5 of them AND their pets so you can be healing up to 9 targets depending on raid composition.
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AmaMonstaGuest
enhancement shamans are great on molten... the only reason people dont like them is because most people who play them pve arent very good at it. Many tunnel vision and as a result take more damage on an already squishy melee dps. But if you KNOW what ur doing u can be top 5 dps in most runs imo.
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Dont forget the maelstrom proc chance to low wich nerfs enhance dps also alot..
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i've been talking about this since 4.0.6.
in pve .. it's .. well .. not so huge loss, but can you imagine how epic it is in pvp, to have 3.5-4.5x lower MW ppm ? you often cannot even achieve one full stack on MW in duel / 1 minute of arena fight. so yeah, and nothing will be done, unless more and more people will talk about it.
btw Low Maelstrom PPM is pretty tightly associated with "Spell procs and absorbs" , for pve ofc. this "no procs on absorbs" is minor. i would even say pretty pointless.
+ to all of this, i love how my autoattacks being turned off-by themselves on some priests / paladins / some mobs, and this even happens with those big red dogs (trash adds on shannox route) in Firelands, after some random chain cc casting by them.. someone suggested to use "autoattack" spell from spellbook.. isn't it the same as /startattack in macro ?(obviously it is, and both options are ignoring you.) i still got only two minor videos of this in pvp, trying to get more.
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