That's the most accurate description of destrolock I've read here, and the reason I gave up warlock with MoP.
It's popular because destrolocks work extremely well in world PvP, since when you realize a lock is casting things on you, you're already dead. It's also excellent in BG's because it's OP when free casting, and it has quite a lot of cc. But I don't believe for a second that it can be competitive in high rated arena, or even duel.
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Arms. Period.
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I'm gonna laugh my tits of when you actually try to CAST 2.5sec ish chaos bolt in arenas without being locked for whole match...
As far it goes from my play on retai: In 2s, doesnt matter you can be what ever you want (even guardian druid can 1 shot you on most private servers, just needs stamina +1 glyph+Bear hug=bam 90-150k dot each second for next 3sec) altho from burst classes for 2s....FERALS, Destro locks, wariors, frost dk's, hunters...rest are just as well fine since you wont be doing any **** above 2k with 2dps on good matches since there is no easy way you can kill good resto druid in mop..
3s....well in 3s you need skill and communication...LSD, MLS will be most playable combo again but there are a lot of combos like kitty cleave, jungle cleave etc that can perform rly well..
On end...pick what you wanna be: are you goona do insane pressure with dots for all the time or you gonna be doing insane burst at demand when needed, are you gonna sit on someone and making him cry, or you wanna support team with decent damage and INSANE survivability and HEALS when needed..
If you want easiest class..go warior, dk..
if you want decent burst in 2s vs 80% of ppl roll lock,mage,priest,war..
in general..you will suck royally in this game as always if you need someone to tell you what spec is "op" to play,,,
P.S. i've seen locks raping wariors 1v1 scenarios without effect of BF(battle fatigue) with ease..but ive also seen locks got eaten by some other wars..i've seen ferals soloing 3ppl. and seen boomkin holding a base of 4+ ppl on his back... just pick style you like and master it,...GG end of story
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i totallz aggree .. if you never played wow go play every class try them and make your decision .. if you are playing wow for some time play what you played most what you like ..
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Thats why you BARELY see Destro in high brackets...all of them are affli...
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2s you will but I don't count that one
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Soz for necro, i see lot of ppl here suggesting frost mage as one of the best pvp classes but werent they nerfed hard in 5.4? Icicles is a massive nerf, and mages lack dmg, how come they are still top? I love mages and i will play it regardless, but can some1 pls elaborate this to me?
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Elemental shaman.
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Mages were good in Godcomb. -> Get strong Iceicles and try to burst something. If it did not work, run away and repeat.
MLS was viable too but well anything is viable with an Affliction Lock.
I would not consider Mages as OP anymore, its not Cata - thank god.
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its true mages were in god comp, but hunter's were just as popular in 2s and 3s. god comp was a pain in the *** to fight and if u did heavily out play them u could easily die but that by no means makes frost mages the "top Class"
I wouldnt put 1 class at the top, but id put maybe 3 that did really good in 3v3 in various comps
Frost mages
Aff Locks
MM Hunters
Healers. (honorable mention xd)
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why do you guys say
"O all class will interrupt destro lock in arena"
but you guys are on Molten?
Either you go against ppl who don't even bind interrupts or the ppl should be ez enough to throw some random CC so you don't get interrupted?
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Yes, Icicles are indeed a nerf, but the damage of Ice Lance was increased by 43% which somewhat compensates for the loss of Frostburn, at least for this spell (which is the essence of burst along with FoF). Besides, Living Bomb damage has been increased this patch as well which makes it more viable than Frost Bomb anyway, since it's instant, spammable, does not break cc + benefits from shatter like crazy (this thing doesn't work on Molten though). Besides, Icicles still indirectly increase the damage of Frostbolt and, most importantly, Frostfire Bolt, so with ~40% mastery we currently have it's still a decent buff. In the end, damage stays more or less comparable, just dealt in a different way. Even though I liked our previous mastery much more I have to say I didn't feel the loss that much.
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So do you think you will be best if you pick the "best class". The answer is no. NO . AND NO.
You will suck as the rest of your friends playing this sorry game. Pick what you like, play it master it and it will be best class FOR YOU. Don't let others choose your class, as you are doing it you should probably ask people what is best in life for you and get to the bottom of your life in no time. Best regards Thrylia :D
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In general throuh all patches classes were overall pretty balanced.
gear>skill>race>class
be honest gear is a huge advantage. if you have twice the health and pvp power you almost autowin.
Skill is the factor that makes the difference. You can have the "OP" class with high end gear and be totally devestated. If you cant use your skills right and time them correctly or suck at reflexes or dont know how to counter this and that you are meat.
race...well the human extra trinket is in the end through all patches the best PvP skill you can have as it allows for the best (and most versatile) racial bonus of all.
class...as stated its not like a ret paladin couldnt beat a warrior. Yes in numbers the warrior does have an advantage damagewise but that doesnt mean you couldnt beat him or warriors would be a faceroll class.
Through all patches classes are relatively well balanced. I play wow since...omg many years since BC ^^ And i have played a lot of classes and speccs in pvp and participated in tournaments and once had been the best mage on the server i played.
And i got owned by so called "bad" classes and devestated "faceroll" classes with pretty much any character. Skill and gear make such a huge difference that the actual class doesnt have any weight in battle. Even if you look at high end pvp - yes in certain patches people may tend to play class XY more but in the end even the most popular pvp classes get owned by very unpopular classes.
And again arena and duell are very different things and bgs are different again...so the type of PvP would also be important.
If you want to rule the BG get some friends and join the BG together - any coordinated group will totally own BGs. If you manage to get a balanced team with heals rdps and mdps you will cleave through the enemy team
If you want the overpowered ultracombination you wont find it.
Some speccs are great for duelling but suck in arena and bg, others are great in Bg and suck at 1vs1 and arena and some specs are great for arena but suck at bg and 1vs1
It boils down to what class you personally are most skilled with. Just because some classes are more often played in top Tier arena doesnt mean they are better. Some speccs are simply boring to play and some classes have overall way more players than others in the first place so statistics and a valid proof of anything.
When i read the treads people complain about all sorts of classes being op or totally nerfed. I even found threads where all agreed that warriors became very bad in MoP and suck at PvP now.
It really comes down to gear and skill.
And of course your playstyle. If you want to be a a glass cannon dont take a resto shaman. If you want to be an allrounder feral is nice, if you want the ******* everyone hates go rogue.
Its really about what you want to do. Some classes are great for solo, some great for groups.
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Nice said, not true tho :P.... Warriors let's see :
Overpowered? Yes.
Overhealing? Yes.
Hard to play? No.
Faceroll? Pretty much.
Does it, currently, require a lot of skill to survive in PvP? No.
Right now warriors are the easiest, and most overpowered class in MoP.
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and yet they are beaten in all areas - equipment >skill>race>class.
I hear whining about OP classes in just every patch and people cant even tell which class is OP.
As example on Mop 5.3. people said warriors were far too weak and sad and that ret palas would become the new faceroll class in 5.4
And what happened? in 5.4 the through all patches faceroll class is and stayed da hunter.
There is a difference between "no skill" classes and actual effieciency in fights. Of course there are classes that are way easier to play than others so a noob rolling a warrior or hunter will indeed do better as if he would start a shaman.
BUT if you know your class and the weakspots of others you can totally beat faceroll classes.
Yes i will admit that some classes are just easier to master but they are not overpowered.
As example everyone said DKs are the OP class in Wotlk - through all patches. yet the real faceroll class was the ******in and an arpm stacked warrior could so beat any dk so into pieces...
And dont forget molten bugs. That changes balance drasticly - as example before the fixes on WOTLK realms THE OP class for PvP has been the shield slam prot warrior as shield slam had no cap and you could deal 30 - 35k Damage with a single attack which is for most wotlk classes more HP than they have. and you could dish out 2 such shieldslams in 5 seconds. Oneshotting end geared pvp classes was indeed possible.
THAT is OP. And yet there were alot of mechanics that also allowed to win against those bastards
And for wotlk it was anyway - be warrior, paladin or dk. Get shadowmourne - rule the world
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