Wrath of Unchaining HC or Vial of shadows HC, and why? (for PVP)
Wrath trinket gives me 473 more agility
vial gives me the lightning strike proc
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What do you guys think is better in bg for MM hunter
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Genuinely good question!
I would recommend VoS over WoU for random battleground. This is because you in these types of games, battles tend to be short, and by the time you get WoU to its full stacks, the battle will be over, or just ending, and you will lose the buff soon after. Keeping 10 stacks would be near impossible in most situations. With VoS you will ALWAYS be able to use the proc, so there is no such issue.
For Rated BGs, it is debateable. I would still likely donate for VoS, but in rateds, battles can last a bit longer (depending on team compositions) and you might be able to get 2-3 fights at the 10 stacks.
In my opinion, go with Vial.
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Use two trinkets instead, and switch them during downtime.
For example, vial of shadows and cataclysmic trinket.
Use the agility spell from the cataclysmic medallion (if i remember, 2000 agility for 20 seconds or similar), then switch to vial during the cooldown .
Thats what many players do to keep their dps at its peak.
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Do you know a macro for it or do i have to do it manually?
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Well, you can make a macro that alternates between the two.
It's a bit manual(gotta press 1 button) and automatic.
If you want me to create that macro just tell me.
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Please do, I'm curious now too!
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I wouldn't really recommend swapping trinkets regularly in BG.
This is because the cooldown on VoS is around 20 seconds if I'm not mistaken. As such, when you swap, you're losing a whole bunch of procs that you could be getting. It's really up to the user, regarding if they consider a burst trinket necessary or not, but generally, VoS will probably pull ahead without the trinket swap.
Also you cannot change trinkets in combat, so the use-ability of a trinket swap is a bit suspect.
Up to you to decide, in terms of OP, I VoS will pull ahead as I explained above.
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The cooldown on vial of shadows is normally 45 seconds.
You do the trinket swap outside combats(unless you use a feign death macro!)
Don't forget to do the swapping and you should do more dps overall(From personal experiences and 16-17 other players who tried it)
I'll post the trinket swap macro tomorrow since I have to look through the wow api for a specific command.
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Its actual ICD is 9 seconds. It tends to proc around the 12 second mark.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=77999/vi...adows#comments
The CD is just too short for people to swap out a trinket that does so much damage on proc :/
As for more dps with a swap, you should test it on a dummy, not in a BG environment.
I suppose in theory the best method would be to keep the burst trinket equipped, use it, then swap trinkets before the fight begins. To be honest, its more or less overkill at that point in PvP, as instead of doing all of this you should spend the time finding the right position in a BG/arena.
Again, up to personal preference. If you want to add another thing to manage, I can see the potential for the swap to help.
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Well, some sources on blizzard forum says that it was later nerfed to make the icd longer.(They say 30 seconds there)
I also tried the vial myself and it seemed like 40 seconds, but That was before Molten becomes Warmane, so I can't tell how it is now.
If it indeed procs every 9 seconds like it was before the nerf then yea its totally better.
Someone can try it in game and see?
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Oops! I had totally forgotten about sending the macro!
It should work, but I can't be sure because I can't test it!
The goal of the macro is to swap your trinkets whenever you click it. It is supposed to perform a quick check: If your usable trinket is off cooldown and unequipped, it will equip it for you. If your usable trinket is on cooldown and equipped, it will swap to the passive.
Remember that you must click the macro to swap. However(if you are interrested), It would be possible to bind it to one of your abilities(like your mount).
Using your mount would automatically swap your trinkets for you if necessary.
To make this macro work you have to do three things:
1)the two trinkets must be equipped in the slot 13, which is located right under the rings in the character tab, and the highest of the two spots
2)you need 1 free space. Currently, the bag slots are the 20 and the 21 from the bag 4. Bag 4 is the leftmost bag(bag 0 is your backpack)
Change 4,21 and 4,20 to the bag slots you will use, then put the unequipped trinket out of the two in one of the slots.
So if you want to use the very first slots in your backpack, you would write 0,1 instead of 4,20 and 0,2 instead of 4,21, then you'd put your trinket in the first slot.
Although I wouldn't recommend using the first slots because if you acquire/buy a new item you will have to move the item manually so the slot is empty!
3)Change itemID by the id of your usable trinket.To do this, equip your usable trinket(slot 13!), then type this in the chat:
/run print(GetInventoryItemID("player", 13))
After you did that, you should see a bunch of numbers in the chat, like 85329. That's the Item Id. So replace itemID in the macro by those numbers.
You only need to do these edits once, unless you want to do some modifications(you want to change the slots again or you got a new on use trinket).
Here's the macro(Dont forget the steps above before using)
/run gI=PickupInventoryItem if IsEquippedAction(13) and GetItemCooldown(itemID) or not IsEquippedAction(13) and not GetItemCooldown(itemID) then gI(4,21) gI(4,20) else gI(4,21) gI(4,20) end
/use 4 20
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Ahh I should clarify whats causing the confusion.
When VoS was released, it did indeed have a 40 second cd... with a massive 70k proc damage.
As you can imagine, rogues and hunters became globalling gods, where they would delete people as soon as the trinket would proc.
As such, blizzard made the icd down to 9 seconds, but also lowered the damage so that the dps from the trinket was the same in the pve environment, but it was more "balanced" for pvp.
I think the change took place in 4.3.2 or something, but that's just from memory and too lazy to check when they changed it :D
I still agree that to truly maximize dps, one can use a macro to swap trinkets JUST before a fight begins, so that you can have the 2k agility and VoS equipped at same time. I'm not sure if the effect stays after the burst trinket has been swapped though. If it doesn't, then it's up to personal preference, as I think a 9 sec cd VoS might just outperform swapping.
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ah that'd make sense. You'd only do a little bit more(1%?) damage by switching if that's the case.
Would you be able to test the damage you do with vial and the cooldown approximately using the stopwatch?
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I don't play on Cata anymore since the great moltdown, so can't really test :(
Others are welcome to try and post results! Let's theory craft together! :)
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