Multiboxing on Lordaeron | Yes or no?

[MrHelp88]

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is the probability of multiboxing used towards an ultimate purpose of account trading. I knew people before the Moltdown who would multi-level in order to sell the accounts on third-party (fourth party? lol) websites.

This, the fact that having 5 or more accounts without paying for them is NOT Blizzlike, the clear advantage(PvP, Economy)/cancer it gives, and what Mavelea pointed out previously (more multiboxers = more queue), make it plain that it's simply for the greater good to outlaw multiboxing, for the benefit of the majority of the Lordaeron playerbase.

The selfish gain it gives a small group of people is simply not worth the ire it causes for others.

[Jakkre]

@Pallzdani and the other guys that pretend to be experts when it comes to multiboxing.
U keep acting as if u know what multiboxing is about but in the end u never seriously multiboxed and all ur statements are only based on assumption.
I can tell u that u are wrong in so many points.

Pls stop the theory crafting and make statments based on experience.

[Stampelle123]

"Multiboxer are the reason for the inflated prices in the AH."
Thats really the biggest nonsense that I have heard in a while.
I suggest u to start multiboxing to check if ur statements have even a germ of truth.

Multiboxer, BOTS, hack and other kind of abuse are the reason for realm gold inflaction or items inflaction.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[MrHelp88]

@Pallzdani
U keep acting as if u know what multiboxing is about but in the end u never seriously multiboxed and all ur statements are only based on assumption.
I can tell u that u are wrong in so many points.

Pls stop the theory crafting and make statments based on experience.

Then do it and provide accurate, irrefutable evidence. I can assure you that Danii is also speaking mostly on past experience, as I am.

Quite frankly, it doesn't matter a damn whether you do anything to affect the economy, or the general contentness of the community, it's still completely possible for other multiboxers to do so. You can avoid soloing instances for gold, and stay out of BGs, and just sit around in Org, but there will still be others who WILL **** up the economy, use multibox for account trading, and for being cancer in BGs, leveling areas.

None of these actions - all of which are primary purposes of multiboxing - benefit the server as a whole.

[Kole12]

I haven't read most the posts i this thread so i'm not influenced by anyone's view of it, so i'll give my own opinion on it. When i first started playing wow i was totally shocked that someone would have the balls to go around with 5 characters abviously linked together and played on the same pc. I was even more surprised when i later found out that multiboxing isn't bannable in wow, even though 99% of online games prohibit such behaviour that enables huge advantage over other players. And not long after that, i had a first encounter with pvp multiboxing. Let me tell you how ****ing annoying it is to play against 5 bis balance druids that can kill half a bg team with timed Starfall. So my vote is deffinately NO.

[Jakkre]

Then do it and provide accurate, irrefutable evidence. I can assure you that Danii is also speaking mostly on past experience, as I am.

What kind of experience?
Did u ever met a multiboxer in the past that was controlling the auctionhouse?
Did u ever met a multiboxer in the past that was account trading?

Where is ur evidence for these statement?

[Pallzdani]

"Multiboxer are the reason for the inflated prices in the AH."
Thats really the biggest nonsense that I have heard in a while.
I suggest u to start multiboxing to check if ur statements have even a germ of truth.

Huh? Who said 'Multiboxer's are the reason for the inflated prices in the AH'? Show me the quote and I will tell that person how wrong they are. Wait are you talking about me, if so quote it and I will call myself a twat for saying that...

@Pallzdani and the other guys that pretend to be experts when it comes to multiboxing.
U keep acting as if u know what multiboxing is about but in the end u never seriously multiboxed and all ur statements are only based on assumption.
I can tell u that u are wrong in so many points.

Pls stop the theory crafting and make statments based on experience.

I haven't read every post so I can't say this on behalf on anyone else, but I have not made one post that makes me seem like a Multiboxing expert. My posts have been based on my experience alone, whether as a bystander to multiboxing, a multiboxer or a victim of unfair play by multiboxing. Again link me a quote where you think I am pretending to be an expert and I will explain my reasoning and/or experience that influented that post.

Quite frankly, it doesn't matter a damn whether you do anything to affect the economy, or the general contentness of the community, it's still completely possible for other multiboxers to do so. You can avoid soloing instances for gold, and stay out of BGs, and just sit around in Org, but there will still be others who WILL **** up the economy, use multibox for account trading, and for being cancer in BGs, leveling areas.

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[MrHelp88]

Did u ever met a multiboxer in the past that was account trading?

Where is ur evidence for these statement?

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is the probability of multiboxing used towards an ultimate purpose of account trading. I knew people before the Moltdown who would multi-level in order to sell the accounts on third-party (fourth party? lol) websites.

My evidence is that it's entirely possible. I could, theoretically, grab a multiboxing program right now and do it, if I were interested in breaking the Warmane ToS.

You said I was wrong on many points. I ****ing DARE you to accurately refute my previous two posts. You can't expect to be listened to if all you can do is deny others' allegations without providing proof that these allegations are faulty.

[Aleastraszabcde]

, but there will still be others who WILL **** up the economy, use multibox for account trading, and for being cancer in BGs, leveling areas.

I do nothing of this and neither is Jakkre, do not speak for us please.

[Pallzdani]

I do nothing of this and neither is Jakkre, do not speak for us please.

Doesn't matter if you or Jakkre do it. You are not the only multi-boxers here. As long as multiboxing is around the chance of one of them scenario's happening...is at it's highest.

You also ignored the first part of that sentence and took the second half out of context...Re-read it:

You can avoid soloing instances for gold, and stay out of BGs, and just sit around in Org, but there will still be others who WILL **** up the economy, use multibox for account trading, and for being cancer in BGs, leveling areas.

[MrHelp88]

I do nothing of this and neither is Jakkre, do not speak for us please.

Seriously? Please read my posts before commenting about them.

Edit: Hell, read the rest of the bit that you quoted. Wow.

Quite frankly, it doesn't matter a damn whether you do anything to affect the economy, or the general contentness of the community, it's still completely possible for other multiboxers to do so. You can avoid soloing instances for gold, and stay out of BGs, and just sit around in Org, but there will still be others who WILL **** up the economy, use multibox for account trading, and for being cancer in BGs, leveling areas.

It's quite similar to arguing for speed hacks just because YOU "won't use it in bgs, world pvp, raid instances". Nothing good will come of speed hacks, just as nothing good will come of multiboxing. It's a tool that can be used - that's meant to be used - to give an unfair advantage.

Honestly, if you want to multibox, you have EVERY OTHER REALM to do it on. There's no place for that ilk in Lordaeron.


Edit: Grah! Damn you, Danii! You beat me to it. ;)

[healcat]

Multiboxers will vote multiple times (they have multiple accounts already). So I will state my opinion here. NO, if realm design is to encourage more interaction between people, multiboxing would slighty defeat that purpose since you are literally playing with yourself.

[MrHelp88]

Multiboxers will vote multiple times (they have multiple accounts already).

Though there is a chance of this being the case, there's no way we can prove it, and - this being the case - it isn't fair or civil to accuse anyone of it. It'd be nice for a mod who can see who voted what to investigate for us.

And regardless, "No" is a serious majority vote - thank god.

[Jakkre]

Huh? Who said 'Multiboxer's are the reason for the inflated prices in the AH'? Show me the quote and I will tell that person how wrong they are. Wait are you talking about me, if so quote it and I will call myself a twat for saying that...

They earn gold faster and easier than us, so if a multiboxer wanted to be a dick, which there will be, they could use all their gold to buy all the important crafting reagents and then list them for some stupid amount. Eventually, this is why I said in the long run, this would just break the economy.

In other words u say that there gonna be "dick" multiboxer that will inflate the AH prices.
Putting plenty of "would", "could" and "might" phrases doesnt make the statement less harsh.

I haven't read every post so I can't say this on behalf on anyone else, but I have not made one post that makes me seem like a Multiboxing expert. My posts have been based on my experience alone, whether as a bystander to multiboxing, a multiboxer or a victim of unfair play by multiboxing. Again link me a quote where you think I am pretending to be an expert and I will explain my reasoning and/or experience that influented that post.

- Its takes more effort to gear multiple chars up
You are gearing multiple chars up at the same time, which in turn is faster than us gearing the same amount of alts up one at a time. Also your gearing process is easier, because you do not have to rely on 4 other people in a dungeon group to not be *****s and/or leave early on. Same goes for BG groups.

- It takes more time to level multiple chars
You can jump straight into party quests from the get-go. We have to spend time LFM to do it with us. You can jump straight into dungeons, we have to spend time LFG's. You have less chance of being ganked by other's whilst levelling.

- It requires multitasking skills to control multiple chars at the same time (especially when u have mixed classes with different roles)
That is not worth listing, that is a skill you develop in the learning curve of Multiboxing or just naturally have.

-- It requires a huge amount of gold to learn flying multiple times, enchanting all the gear etc
You can farm gold easier than us. All the gold looted in dungeons go to you while ours is split between 4 other people. You can also BoE gear and gold farm raid mobs solo while we have to have other members to help us and thus we have a chance of not getting a dropped BoE and again our gold is splite

-- The limited mobility makes multiboxing a big challenge in PvP and PvE (think of aoe effects that need to be avoided).
In PvE it is remarkably easier to avoid AoE as a Mboxer. As a single player we have to think about where our party members are positioned and plan a route that involves staying away from them (think AoE's that target a specific person's location) where as with a Mboxer there is only one location occupied because your toons are ganged on each other.

- Playing multiple chars to perfection can only be harder than playing a single char to perfection
And whence the learning curve.

Here u are pretending to know what multiboxing is about.

Ill clarify a few things here:

your gearing process is easier, because you do not have to rely on 4 other people in a dungeon group to not be *****s and/or leave early on. Same goes for BG groups.

Who cares about the low gear from 5 man dungeons and BGs?
U get the end game PvP and PvE gear from Arena and ICC!
Reaching a high rating in 2s or 3s is pretty much impossible as multiboxer so u have to play each of ur toons separately with a patner to get a decent arena rating.
When it comes to PvE our best multiboxer is "kalvindeane" and as far i know he couldnt pass the gunship battle yet. That should give u an idea how hard it is to gear up in PvE...

You can jump straight into party quests from the get-go. We have to spend time LFM to do it with us. You can jump straight into dungeons, we have to spend time LFG's. You have less chance of being ganked by other's whilst levelling.

Believe me when I tell u that leveling as a multiboxer takes so much more time than leveling a single character.
I already leveled a 5 man team from 1-80 on the old Lordaeron realm so I know what im talking about.
Leveling only in dungeons takes much longer than questing and all the collection quests take 5 times longer as multiboxer and there are plenty of them.
In addition it is not possible to gain any experience in raids so when u level more than 5 chars u have to make seperated groups and everything takes twice as long.

- It requires multitasking skills to control multiple chars at the same time (especially when u have mixed classes with different roles)
That is not worth listing, that is a skill you develop in the learning curve of Multiboxing or just naturally have.

Weird argumentation.
U have to learn something that a single boxer doesnt have to learn. Consequently its a bigger challenge.

-- It requires a huge amount of gold to learn flying multiple times, enchanting all the gear etc
You can farm gold easier than us. All the gold looted in dungeons go to you while ours is split between 4 other people. You can also BoE gear and gold farm raid mobs solo while we have to have other members to help us and thus we have a chance of not getting a dropped BoE and again our gold is splite

The fastests way to farm gold is having mining and herbalism and gathering materials to sell them in the AH.
A Multiboxer doesnt has the option to gather materials with his whole team.
He has only the option to farm trash mobs in ICC which is a much less efficient way to earn gold.

-- The limited mobility makes multiboxing a big challenge in PvP and PvE (think of aoe effects that need to be avoided).
In PvE it is remarkably easier to avoid AoE as a Mboxer. As a single player we have to think about where our party members are positioned and plan a route that involves staying away from them (think AoE's that target a specific person's location) where as with a Mboxer there is only one location occupied because your toons are ganged on each other.

Every Multiboxer who has already tried lord Marrowgar will facepalm when he reads ur statement.
Try to tank, heal, dps and avoid Bone Storm and the flames at the same time. It is possible but 10 times harder than for a regular player.
When it comes to pvp I guess it obvious that a multiboxer has bigger troubles to avoid AoE than a regular player has.

- Playing multiple chars to perfection can only be harder than playing a single char to perfection
And whence the learning curve.

Bigger learning curve = harder to learn = makes the game harder

[MrHelp88]

In other words u say that there gonna be "dick" multiboxer that will inflate the AH prices.
Putting plenty of "would", "could" and "might" phrases doesnt make the statement less harsh.


Here u are pretending to know what multiboxing is about.

Ill clarify a few things here:

Who cares about the low gear from 5 man dungeons and BGs?
U get the end game PvP and PvE gear from Arena and ICC!

Clearly, most of the people who voted here care about battlegrounds, the economy, and world pvp. No one wants to be ganked by an ******* multiboxer when you're just trying to peacefully level. No one wants to have absolutely no chance against that same multiboxer in a random battlegrounds (sure, against a team the multiboxer is often ****, but against any small number of people, it simply isn't fun whatsoever for the other side). No one wants to see a multiboxer get extremely rich through selling ICC trash loot that took them 10 minutes of effort to get, when any normal player spends hours on professions to get screwed over on the AH.

Also, level 80 characters will be in very high demand for Lordaeron, for people who don't want to level it themselves, who cannot spend money on an insta level via the marketplace. Multiboxers can - quite easily, as I have seen - get to 80 on five characters MUCH faster than a "singleboxer" could doing one at a time.

U have to learn something that a single boxer doesnt have to learn. Consequently its a bigger challenge.

Hardly. It simply isn't nearly as hard as you make it out to be.

The fastests way to farm gold is having mining and herbalism and gathering materials to sell them in the AH.
A Multiboxer doesnt has the option to gather materials with his whole team.
He has only the option to farm trash mobs in ICC which is a much less efficient way to earn gold.

This example is a bit off. Of course there will be faster methods of earning money, but methods such as ICC farming are much, much easier.

Bigger learning curve = harder to learn = makes the game harder

Honestly, I feel disgusted that I have to say this for what feels like the seventh time. Just because you and a few others don't plan on using multiboxing for grief-inducing purposes, doesn't mean that it can't be used for those purposes. Like a speed hack, I can use it for a convenience that doesn't affect everyone else, I can use it for some stupid challenge bull**** ("lol, watch me go around Azeroth without dying completely on foot before the alliance kills Garrosh for the fourth time today"), but others can also use it to cause unnecessary cancer.

And AGAIN, you have EVERY OTHER SERVER to multibox on. A system that allows for someone to obtain an unfair advantage does NOT belong on Lordaeron - it belongs on Ragnaros, Deathwing, Neltharion, etc. - regardless of whatever challenge you get out of it. It is simply not worth infecting this new realm with that ilk for a couple avid multiboxers to get a slightly higher challenge.

Killing ****ing Halion through multiboxing is just as hard on Ragnaros as it will be on Lordaeron, but the negative effects on multiboxing will be much harsher on such a realm, where the economy, community, etc. sits on such a delicate balance.