Multiboxing on Lordaeron | Yes or no?

[Stampelle123]

Lets see:


You are calling me a whiner, when all I am doing is what you are doing, stating my opinion, and facts. Opinion and facts != whining. That was pretty personal.



Classic troll behavior. Not to mention you worked in another veiled attack on my donator status.

So anyways. I wont be responding to you anymore. I have fed you enough. I hope someday you can agree that fun shouldnt be limited to how YOU think things should be. We are all gamers here.

Where is the attack? You can't do whatever you won't. You can't hack, abuse or act against the staff will. Deal with it.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[MrHelp88]

Classic troll behavior. Not to mention you worked in another veiled attack on my donator status.

You were the one who brought it up. It's completely clear that you used your status as a donator to get some sort of leverage with the admins, mods, etc.

Hell, Danii and I are both donators as well.

I have multiple accounts I have donated on, and really want to Multibox on Lordaeron

is like saying to a politician "I have given your PAC nearly three million in my hard-earned dough, and I want you to stop your support of the right to wear cargo shorts in public places right now!"

Is there any proof that multiboxing, which has been allowed by Blizz since WoW's inception, causes any harm to these servers?

Danii, myself, and many others have all given scenarios where multiboxing poses a threat to the balance of the server. All of these are entirely possible, and most of them have occurred before our very eyes. Go back and read some of my posts for more information.

If anything. by contributing on my accounts, I have helped support this game. Why should I be punished for playing how I want? I paid to play here, and support you guys, but if I cant box on Lord, I will be hard pressed to justify any further financial support. ESPECIALLY when most of these voters are most likely non donors to begin with.

This is almost exactly "I donated so give me what I want!". Are you honestly too thick to see it? Hell, I donated, but if want to be able to buy the goddamn legendary axe on half of my toons and insta-80, it doesn't mean that I have the ****ed up right to strongarm the mods into letting this happen.

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Edit: I also just remembered that whole Wartorn Chest thing. No way multiboxing would be even close to fair in that situation.

[Skuddy]

But stop calling for us to be left out.

requiring you to play the game 1 toon at a time isn't leaving you out. it puts you on even ground with ever other player on the server.

personally i'm not to concerned either way, but i see the reasoning behind players not wanting mb's on lord.

[Stampelle123]

So you are saying that you are against multiboxers because of 1 ******* who somehow wronged you, and the rest of us who are respectful and just want to play and have fun, should be punished because of your ignorance/blindness to the vast majority of the boxers who arent abusive

It's not about 1 ashshole ganked me, it's about the fact that the phenomenon has gone out of control since molten reset and the zerg account making with boosted level 80/85.
Yes, a minority of players who abuse of a specific tool can cause the ruin of all the people who use the tool. If you, boxer community care so much of a non abusive and clean reputation of your community, you could make a sort of internal control where abuses where reported and punished.
Sadly this is not the case since the MBer have proved (even in this thread) to be so much selfish, emotional and desprectfull of the rules, of the staff, the community and the player base.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[yuuupers]

It's not about 1 ashshole ganked me, it's about the fact that the phenomenon has gone out of control since molten reset and the zerg account making with boosted level 80/85.
Yes, a minority of players who abuse of a specific tool can cause the ruin of all the people who use the tool. If you, boxer community care so much of a non abusive and clean reputation of your community, you could make a sort of internal control where abuses where reported and punished.
Sadly this is not the case since the MBer have proved (even in this thread) to be so much selfish, emotional and desprectfull of the rules, of the staff, the community and the player base.

I am happy to know that I do not fall under your critirea of a mber that has done wrong. i have no 80 boosted toons, have not ganked any player (opposing or no), not destroyed the economy, no use of bots/hacks. But your 100% correct that there has been selfish, emotional and desprectfull of rules, staff, community and player base......

from BOTH sides of this topic.

I do feel that some good points have been made from both sides and this is how much I want the current view on us changed. I am more than willing to back anyone up who wants to report a mboxer for abuse (botting/camping/etc). Know that I will also do the same. Abuse from anyone can effect the game experence.

[Slaytan1c]

Ok.

You were the one who brought it up. It's completely clear that you used your status as a donator to get some sort of leverage with the admins, mods, etc.

Hell, Danii and I are both donators as well.

I was pointing out the fact that I was being civil, and not attacking anyone for posting their opinions. You choose to support an obvious troll, hey, you are free to do so. Thanks for your donating. I wish more people would. In situations like these, donators opinions should weigh more heavily than non. That is my opinion, and factually how the world works 90% of the time

is like saying to a politician "I have given your PAC nearly three million in my hard-earned dough, and I want you to stop your support of the right to wear cargo shorts in public places right now!"

This analogy....it's not even remotely like that. Its be more like "I donated to your PAC nearly three million dollars of my hard earned money, could you push legislation that would be equitable to everyone, not just a segment of your constituency" The scenario you present is nonsensical to me. I am not asking for anything beyond inclusion on a server in which I want to play because I find its "ruleset" extremely appealing.

Danii, myself, and many others have all given scenarios where multiboxing poses a threat to the balance of the server. All of these are entirely possible, and most of them have occurred before our very eyes. Go back and read some of my posts for more information.

Every scenario people have presented. Every.Single.One. Has been a doom and gloom, abuse driven tale of the evil multiboxer overlords who apparently pop up behind every dragon, and mining node on the map. If there were so many of us, the vote would be skewed to reflect all the accounts people have to box with. I could have voted multiple times. I voted ONCE. People vilify multiboxers like were some sort of baby eating seal clubbers. Im a normal dude. I Box because its a challenge. I dont abuse the game, or PvP (unless I am attacked). That is how 99% of us are. You keep lumping us into some multiboxing horror story. I am NOT a sociopath.

This is almost exactly "I donated so give me what I want!". Are you honestly too thick to see it? Hell, I donated, but if want to be able to buy the goddamn legendary axe on half of my toons and insta-80, it doesn't mean that I have the ****ed up right to strongarm the mods into letting this happen.

Again, you are putting words into my mouth. I have never said any of what you just posted. You act like the advantage is so huge. Have you ever multiboxed? To do it properly is a virtual ballet of having to pay attn every second during a hairy fight. A 5 man PC group of guildies or friends on coms has an ENORMOUS advantage over boxers from mobility alone. You realize the effort it takes to control 5 characters? To not get them stuck or stand in fire, or get casts off cause you misjudge moving, or mis target and murder your group cause the pull goes bad? Or the free honor when your lead character gets murdered and the difficulty of recovering a new window? Its happens a LOT let me tell you. 5 man player groups, still consist of 5 players, and ANYONE can create an assist macro to make it easier for the group. 5 man multibox still consists of 5 characters with a crap ton more involved in surviving if **** hits the fan, which when boxing it invariably does.

Edit: I also just remembered that whole Wartorn Chest thing. No way multiboxing would be even close to fair in that situation.

More doom and gloom. The opposing faction can field boxers as well. You can kill the lead character and a very high % of the time kill the whole team. Again, *I* do not PvP with my teams. Why should I be punished for the actions of a tiny % of the playerbase' actions? Why do you keep making it out like EVERYONE who boxes does **** like this. We dont. Stop making it out like we are all evil people. FFS. Seriously. The people who are always so adamant about NO to boxing are literally always misinformed because they have never done it, and have no idea how much more involved it is.

Seriously this can be fixed. No boxing in arenas or battlegrounds. No more than 5 chars per team, and 1 team at a time online at the same time. I mean seriously. Its like people are crazy over this stuff. Report people who bot, hack and cheat. I do every chance I get. But please stop making it sound like we are all going to engage in this behavior.

[Rovokop]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but player equality and competitive world PvP are both major aspects of Lordaeron as a realm. (Player equality stems from limited but steeper donations which encourage people to acquire items the old fashioned way, and management explicitly stated they have all intentions to keep world PvP alive in the long run.) Having to scramble a group with 4 other people just to kill 1 player playing a team of 5 (regardless if same class or not) is completely contradictory to player equality (or fairness) and detrimental to world PvP, not to mention that the audacity and arrogance to call oneself "a challenge" speaks volumes of how high above everyone else multiboxers consider themselves.
For those who keep claiming they would only multibox in dungeons or raids - no matter how many MB people claim THEY wouldn't engage in PvP (instanced or not), there's no denying a sizeable amount finds that playstyle interesting regardless of how fair it is and would continue engaging the game in that direction until a rule forbids it, and I think this is a legitimate concern.

Let's not forget the game itself never had an offline component; that the genre is MMORPG with emphasis on player-to-player interaction; and that low specs of the game enabled everyone to play regardless of how bad their machine was - in contrast massively multiboxing requires serious setups which only certain people may be able to afford. Another thing is that Warmane management could hardly find as good of a way to filter out multiboxing, as monthly sub fee.

As a footnote, I own more than one account and I do play them simultaneously at certain times, but never with assistance of an external program (I tab between open windows). I will not vote in the poll as it's lost all meaning compared to legitimate concerns brought in the discussion (by both sides).

[SOVA]

no , big no from me

[Obnoxious]

http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....bruary-19-2015

You should read what you're quoting, especially when you are using the fact you have made donations as a reason why you should be "allowed to multibox" if you want.

You realize using a poll where the majority vastly outweighs the monority, does not constitute fair, or democracy?

What constitutes fair for you then? A majority being once more subjected to the wants of the tiny minority, when that tiny minority already has what they want in six other servers?

In situations like these, donators opinions should weigh more heavily than non. That is my opinion, and factually how the world works 90% of the time

You are incorrect. While your donations are very welcomed, the benefits you get from it are the ones clearly stated elsewhere. Beyond those benefits, you're a player like anyone else. I'm a Forum Moderator, I work here, and my opinion has the same weight as any regular player on this.

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On a different note, someone had some inane argument about how if the external software used to multibox was automation, macros were also automation, which I forgot to address.

You are correct. Macros are automation, indeed. Many add-ons also offer automation to certain tasks. Auto-attack? It's automation as well. Strange, isn't it? Now what is it that separates external software and internal game functions...

If you are able to multibox with macros and add-ons only - which would indicate that the game supports multiboxing, not that Blizzard looked the other way about it - I think people won't have much to complain about. Are you?

[Stampelle123]

Ok.


I was pointing out the fact that I was being civil, and not attacking anyone for posting their opinions. You choose to support an obvious troll, hey, you are free to do so. Thanks for your donating. I wish more people would. In situations like these, donators opinions should weigh more heavily than non. That is my opinion, and factually how the world works 90% of the time



This analogy....it's not even remotely like that. Its be more like "I donated to your PAC nearly three million dollars of my hard earned money, could you push legislation that would be equitable to everyone, not just a segment of your constituency" The scenario you present is nonsensical to me. I am not asking for anything beyond inclusion on a server in which I want to play because I find its "ruleset" extremely appealing.


Every scenario people have presented. Every.Single.One. Has been a doom and gloom, abuse driven tale of the evil multiboxer overlords who apparently pop up behind every dragon, and mining node on the map. If there were so many of us, the vote would be skewed to reflect all the accounts people have to box with. I could have voted multiple times. I voted ONCE. People vilify multiboxers like were some sort of baby eating seal clubbers. Im a normal dude. I Box because its a challenge. I dont abuse the game, or PvP (unless I am attacked). That is how 99% of us are. You keep lumping us into some multiboxing horror story. I am NOT a sociopath.



Again, you are putting words into my mouth. I have never said any of what you just posted. You act like the advantage is so huge. Have you ever multiboxed? To do it properly is a virtual ballet of having to pay attn every second during a hairy fight. A 5 man PC group of guildies or friends on coms has an ENORMOUS advantage over boxers from mobility alone. You realize the effort it takes to control 5 characters? To not get them stuck or stand in fire, or get casts off cause you misjudge moving, or mis target and murder your group cause the pull goes bad? Or the free honor when your lead character gets murdered and the difficulty of recovering a new window? Its happens a LOT let me tell you. 5 man player groups, still consist of 5 players, and ANYONE can create an assist macro to make it easier for the group. 5 man multibox still consists of 5 characters with a crap ton more involved in surviving if **** hits the fan, which when boxing it invariably does.



More doom and gloom. The opposing faction can field boxers as well. You can kill the lead character and a very high % of the time kill the whole team. Again, *I* do not PvP with my teams. Why should I be punished for the actions of a tiny % of the playerbase' actions? Why do you keep making it out like EVERYONE who boxes does **** like this. We dont. Stop making it out like we are all evil people. FFS. Seriously. The people who are always so adamant about NO to boxing are literally always misinformed because they have never done it, and have no idea how much more involved it is.

Seriously this can be fixed. No boxing in arenas or battlegrounds. No more than 5 chars per team, and 1 team at a time online at the same time. I mean seriously. Its like people are crazy over this stuff. Report people who bot, hack and cheat. I do every chance I get. But please stop making it sound like we are all going to engage in this behavior.

You are emotional because you will never admit a mistake. You could write a book instead of admit a single mistake


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[Stampelle123]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but player equality and competitive world PvP are both major aspects of Lordaeron as a realm. (Player equality stems from limited but steeper donations which encourage people to acquire items the old fashioned way, and management explicitly stated they have all intentions to keep world PvP alive in the long run.) Having to scramble a group with 4 other people just to kill 1 player playing a team of 5 (regardless if same class or not) is completely contradictory to player equality (or fairness) and detrimental to world PvP, not to mention that the audacity and arrogance to call oneself "a challenge" speaks volumes of how high above everyone else multiboxers consider themselves.
For those who keep claiming they would only multibox in dungeons or raids - no matter how many MB people claim THEY wouldn't engage in PvP (instanced or not), there's no denying a sizeable amount finds that playstyle interesting regardless of how fair it is and would continue engaging the game in that direction until a rule forbids it, and I think this is a legitimate concern.

Let's not forget the game itself never had an offline component; that the genre is MMORPG with emphasis on player-to-player interaction; and that low specs of the game enabled everyone to play regardless of how bad their machine was - in contrast massively multiboxing requires serious setups which only certain people may be able to afford. Another thing is that Warmane management could hardly find as good of a way to filter out multiboxing, as monthly sub fee.

As a footnote, I own more than one account and I do play them simultaneously at certain times, but never with assistance of an external program (I tab between open windows). I will not vote in the poll as it's lost all meaning compared to legitimate concerns brought in the discussion (by both sides).

This. Thx.


http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....s-or-no/page32

[mistoxoxoxo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but player equality and competitive world PvP are both major aspects of Lordaeron as a realm. (Player equality stems from limited but steeper donations which encourage people to acquire items the old fashioned way, and management explicitly stated they have all intentions to keep world PvP alive in the long run.) Having to scramble a group with 4 other people just to kill 1 player playing a team of 5 (regardless if same class or not) is completely contradictory to player equality (or fairness) and detrimental to world PvP, not to mention that the audacity and arrogance to call oneself "a challenge" speaks volumes of how high above everyone else multiboxers consider themselves.
For those who keep claiming they would only multibox in dungeons or raids - no matter how many MB people claim THEY wouldn't engage in PvP (instanced or not), there's no denying a sizeable amount finds that playstyle interesting regardless of how fair it is and would continue engaging the game in that direction until a rule forbids it, and I think this is a legitimate concern.

Let's not forget the game itself never had an offline component; that the genre is MMORPG with emphasis on player-to-player interaction; and that low specs of the game enabled everyone to play regardless of how bad their machine was - in contrast massively multiboxing requires serious setups which only certain people may be able to afford. Another thing is that Warmane management could hardly find as good of a way to filter out multiboxing, as monthly sub fee.

As a footnote, I own more than one account and I do play them simultaneously at certain times, but never with assistance of an external program (I tab between open windows). I will not vote in the poll as it's lost all meaning compared to legitimate concerns brought in the discussion (by both sides).

Couldn't have said it better myself

[Jakkre]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but player equality and competitive world PvP are both major aspects of Lordaeron as a realm. (Player equality stems from limited but steeper donations which encourage people to acquire items the old fashioned way, and management explicitly stated they have all intentions to keep world PvP alive in the long run.) Having to scramble a group with 4 other people just to kill 1 player playing a team of 5 (regardless if same class or not) is completely contradictory to player equality (or fairness) and detrimental to world PvP, not to mention that the audacity and arrogance to call oneself "a challenge" speaks volumes of how high above everyone else multiboxers consider themselves.
For those who keep claiming they would only multibox in dungeons or raids - no matter how many MB people claim THEY wouldn't engage in PvP (instanced or not), there's no denying a sizeable amount finds that playstyle interesting regardless of how fair it is and would continue engaging the game in that direction until a rule forbids it, and I think this is a legitimate concern.

Its a legitimate concern but world pvp boxer just appear too unfrequently to harm ur over all game experience.
When u encounter every few months a multiboxer in world pvp it has like no effect on ur game experience.

[Stampelle123]

Its a legitimate concern but world pvp boxer just appear too unfrequently to harm ur over all game experience.
When u encounter every few months a multiboxer in world pvp it has like no effect on ur game experience.

Every week, in SW Neltharion, 30x2MBer = 60, 30 healers, 30 dps char killing the king and wiping out the AH, The bank and the rest of the city. Can you call it "unfrequent"?


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[Jakkre]

Every week, in SW Neltharion, 30x2MBer = 60 char killing the king and wiping out the AH, The bank and the rest of the city. Can you call it "unfrequent"?

what do u think how many pvp boxer gonna level to 80 on x1 rates? When its a 30 man boxer he has to level 6 times a 5 man party to 80.
U will hardly see them. Probably not at all...