Being entitled to an opinion doesn't implies or means said opinion can't be selfish or ignoring the bigger picture.
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Please don't Generalize like that. I don't tag you guys as lazy. So Please refrain to do so.
You're a Moderator.
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So you're saying that if Mists of Pandaria was the expansion that got the "Lordaeron treatment," all of the Frostwolf players would be here starting threads to complain about the lack of fixes for Wrath of the Lich King, for example? Or that if the point Marketplace had items for 1 point/item, the people complaining it's too costly now would instead be complaining they can get it too easy?
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Obnoxious, Before lordaeron was even a topic, Even before it was even mentioned on any devlog, when a new implementation of path finding and Transportation mechanics was enabled on Neltharion Stuff broke down...
Critical and yet simple stuff. They were reported on Forum and Bugtracker, Which let me tell you. It takes ages for a simple WIDE KNOWN SERVER BUGS to be even be "confirmed", And it doesn't really help when you get no Asnwer from Warmane staff whatsoever.
As I said on another thread Lordaeron is at hand. I know that, I know that you guys should focus on Lordaeron, but there's just Urgent stuff to be fixed, that had to be fixed even when Lordaeron came into play. Not even talking about content, We're talking about Known, simple looking (In most cases), Month's old bugs.
Yet people are giving up on current comunication tools and start resenting a little bit on the Forums. So yeah Obnoxious, If you don't know the backstory, don't generalize, as We. the playerbase do not know what happens over the DEV-side. because it has slowly stopped comunicating back.
We're players, You're a moderator. You should know.
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I know the backstory, but that doesn't means what I claimed is invalid.
Amount of bugs, time taken, minor or major... anything you claim doesn't invalidates what I said - no matter what we do, the people positively affected will be thankful, the ones that aren't affected with complain or attack us, with a few rarer ones that will see any improvement as a positive thing, even if it doesn't affects them, because for them it shows we are working hard, even if not at what they wish we were.
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Obnoxious if people start using the Forums is because something is wrong for some time (And in this case is nearing a whole YEAR) and action hasn't been done. Often shielding behind being "attacked" when it's actually players trying to shed some attention to their realms is not doing Warmane any good.
I bet that If at least each week a single bug was getting fixed, and people feel that even a main project like Lordaeron was on priority, The other realm still get some small bits of love. The current status would be way different.
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Golden post, HEY HEY FINALLY someone who Brave enough to speak the truth about staff. Think twice or thrice before thanking warmane staff.
I failed 6 RDF HC in a row today frostwolf server. Got 2 stormstout brewery and gate of setting sun, im starting to questions the staff in my mind i was asking why did they open half finish and uncomplete able dungeon??
Mogushan Vault = Clear able [but the first boss still buggy, expect tons of 5-10 seconds stun and flying + death from falling]
Temple of jade serpent = Clear able but there many bugged of small sha in second boss that will wipe you even 600k HP tank died from this
Shado-pan monastery = Clear able 90% scripted in my opinion
Stormstout brewery = Clear able need extremely strong group, expect a lot of 'TARGET NOT IN LINE OF SIGHT' bugged in first and last boss
Gate of setting sun = Unclear able LAST BOSS not spawn
So i begin to wonder why release half baked dungeon if theres low to no chance of completing it and get your daily 60 precious valor?? you basicly have 50% chance of fail and have to wait 15 minute RDF cooldown, for those who still need JP they will still do SB and GOSS but for those who don't need JP those arrogant bastard with 522 ilevel will instant leave party. It also happen before moltdown when frostwolf still catalysm, same story
Dungeon that give valor
-Blackrock Cavern
-Hall of Originations
-Lost City of Tolvir
-Stonecore
-Throne of the tides
-Zul'Gurub = Sometimes people leave this thinking its the same as Zul'Aman last boss don't give valor
-Shadowfang keep = This one sometimes have 50% fail because lazy bastard group don't have PET that can pull last boss and those lazy bastard leave usually player with high end gear
VS
Fail dungeon
-Deadmine = 90% ppl leave just after loading, they know last boss bug
-Grim Batol = Again problem with lazy bastard using dragon bug to skip
-Vortex Pincale = The win that suppose to be bridge will make your wow crash to desktop giving fatal error
-Zul'Aman = Last boss don't give valor
-End of Time = Last boss don't give valor, i heard people cheating using mammoth mouth to skip to last boss thats why Staff purposely do this.
Its basicly 50% chance of failure MY bigges fail RDF HC streak in Cata is 12 its either deadmine , end of time, or zul'aman. I don't understand why they open dungeon that give valor and cannot be complete, its like the PURPOSELY do things to make ppl have hard time getting valor. Why?? if i were the staff i close those dungeon and just open the one that will absolutely give valor. It has been almost 1 year they ignore dungeon like garbage, they don't realize people do this daily EVERYDAY unlike raid. Oh don't forget you have to /reload every time you enter dungeon otherwise you see your teamate name as 'UNKNOWN'.
It can't be help, don't get me wrong im grateful i can play wow for free, but sometimes seeing how things left unfixed for years like this .....
Please just close those damn Gate of Setting Sun and Stormstout Brewery if you cannot make last boss spawn and fix those TARGET NOT IN LINE OF SIGHT, many people are leaving INSTANTLY after just getting in. What purpose are these half *** finished dungeon if left open??? only making people fail over and over again to get valor, waste of time.
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We are aware of that. The shedding light claim is nice, but we never denied or acted like everything is good. Like I said elsewhere, we can't do everything at once, though. We could do as you say, spread Developers thin all over the place, get few bugs fixed all over now and then - but never get a consolidated core that would allow the work to be much more streamlined in the future. And I can tell you right now that even if we were doing as you say, people would still complain. Everyone has their pet bug that must be fixed right away, be it for their class, their race, the equipment they want to drop or whatever.
The decision was made to work from the ground up instead of spread resources all over. It means certain things will come first and get much more focus so they can be dealt with and be over with, before the major mass of Developers moves to the next one (and while stuff is still worked on for others, as Spark's list of what he is personally working on shows). And, again, no matter which expansion we picked to go first, the people from the other two would complain and list their reasons of why they should have went first.
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Let's have imaginary numbers:
Developers: 5
Lordaeron: 5, Cata: 0, MoP: 0
Just send 1 of the Devs to be fixing at least one of the criticals bugs on each server each week
Lordaeron would still have 4 on them, That ain't thining and it seems you still haven't realized that I'm not talking about content, I'm talking about fixing urgent and and simple bugs, 1 each week.
And people are complaining and it's increasing because nothing is being done for months. Calling them Selfish or any other adjective is not making you or warmane be in a good spot. you can't for the love of God call the people losing their patience over a whole year Selfish. So again you can't generalize.Edited: October 9, 2015
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guys when you gona realise noone cares about our opinion they gona do how they want to do things
this entire forum is pointless its just illusion for us to think someone actualy take things in consideration
the expansion that bring more money atm is the expansion they gona focus on and thats the truth
and i dont get why you people even argue with simple moderator on forum
he isnt developer or anything important he is here to censor opinions from people who dont aggre with warmane direction and ban them as usual
and do dmg control and simply argue with us and thats it
obnoxius your anwsers are like modern day politicians
they can talk for hours and in the end empty as usual
i rember you
you won first MIT tornament as thundercleave and on that tornament you used op bugged sword spec for war back then
and i see your reward was to become mod
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What ... really?? my god if this true then theres no telling how dark and disturbing warmane staff is ...
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That works for imaginary numbers, sure. It works for RTS games too. But, unfortunately, development doesn't works like Warcraft - you can't simply take a peon away from cutting wood, assign him to build something instead, wait a little and... ta-da it's done like magic. Developers have different sets of skills, different focus, different assignments. As I said to you already, there are at least two Developers working on stuff that isn't Lordaeron that I know of. Are they fixing what you call critical bugs? I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't on their own and needed other things fixed along by more Developers, who are working on Lordaeron.
So what will you say next, that then more should be assigned, in detriment of Wrath of the Lich King? Well, it's good that you bring up again the matter of time, something I dismissed before. Not because it would give you reason, more like the opposite. You're waiting for fixes for an year? Well, people who play Wrath of the Lich King have been waiting for the fixes they are getting now for like five.
Man... not even sure where to start...
If money was the issue, there would be much better ways to be making it than focusing on one expansion.
If Moderators were here to censor opinions, this thread wouldn't even be here, much less having me reply to it. Getting rid of people like you is one thing we in fact do, though.
It's not my fault that sound doesn't travel through vacuum.
The last one is the most laughable, though. Considering the fact I despise PvP in general, claiming that not only I did PvP, not only took part in a PvP tournament, but actually won a prize on something I hate is really out there. But I guess the fact someone else might already be using in game the name I picked for my Moderator persona is absurd. Names are unique. No one ever has the same name as someone else, much less nicknames in games. That cat called Elvis? He's the king alright.
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Insert generic and brain crushingly misguided post bashing the moderators and Warmane staff in general here
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Threads like these that start off with great intentions and then get zerged by negativity really help me get through the work day. Keep up the great work, Warmane. Eventually a few of them will realize the importance of "finishing" WotLK to lay a solid foundation for the rest of the expansions. I've posted too often restating this, so I'll stop it there, but players, just relax and enjoy WoW as best you can. If you don't like its current state, take a break/vacation/hiatus/etc from WoW, and check the main page roughly once a week at most and when fixes start rolling out for your expansion, come on back in. The water will still be nice and inviting, but with less fart bubbles from imaginary Fat Steve in the corner.
No! Insert it here! Lulz.
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h8rs gon h8
