If we're talking about this machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srJ6jMlB8-c
Hmm.
"Tauren > Orcs > Worgen > Undead > Draenei > Dwarves > Pandaren > Trolls > Night Elves > Humans > Blood Elves > Goblins > Gnomes" - DamnOriginal
Seems closest.
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dwarfs skipped leg day
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I disagree, because Dwarves are stronger than Undead-Worgen-Draeneis and orcs in physically strength, and elves are weaker in brute power than humans.
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Average Pandaren > Average Dwarf.
@Op, your question is rather unclear, as it can relate to multiple things, please further clarify the question.
At everyone else, you also have to base your answer around average for race, not certain individuals.
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Is there a set base on just the race alone? Because I might not be fully aware when you include class specs and all. Warriors vs. Paladins and all that. But overall I stand with Orcs having the most strength overall. Tauran close but more tree hugger then brute force imho
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That sir, hurt !Average Pandaren > Average Dwarf
Where do you get the audacity of putting those mystical cubs above the mighty dwarves ?
Who knew they even existed until recently ? Who knew what their ale is made of ? is it even ale to begin with ?
The thruth must be told, dwarven honor is at stake, calling all dwarves in defense of their...ales !
Let everyone know, nothing in Azeroth can outdrink a dwarf !
Argh...some people and their ideas....
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@Movrak
Pandarens have been around Warcraft for a long long time, if you were serious about that part anyway.
Physically, a lot of races have proven worthy for the title of the strongest one, speaking of 'brute force' as OP said.
However, if you will speak of warfare and combat skills combined with the 'brute force' I would vote for either taurens or orcs.
As Movrak said, dwarves are known for being miners and blacksmiths. Orcs are as well, but lets just add that they have combat trials as they grow up and obtain their 'war names' during their life.
A perfect example of an orc old enough to have experience and represent his race is Varok Saurfang.
He is by far not the only one capable of proving that orcs are indeed the strongest race, even his brother Broxigar Saurfang could, but its impossible to find a stronger character in the lore. Only ones that get close are some other orcs (Grommash, Garrosh, Orgrim, Blackhand, Rexxar). And Anduin Lothar, but he was proven weak at one point, since he was defeated by Orgrim Doomhammer. I could go on for a long time about individual heroes, but that would be missing the point.
Now, if we will generalize you can just look at warcraft 3, where an orcish grunt is by far stronger than human footman, while tauren warriors were the strongest. And in the books, where humans avoid fighting the orcs even when they outnumber them except if its in the woods, where only 1 orc warrior can come at a time because of how close trees are, so that humans can 2v1 them at all times.
Dwarves however, I respect as an almost equal foe to the orcs. The only thing they lack is the size of an average orc, since the reach orcs have would probably win the fight. Dwarves are pretty good in the books as well, especially the Wildhammers. I would still give my vote to the orcs but keep the dwarves a close second.
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I like how you see things. A little biased towards orcs to put dwarves on the second spot, but atleast you're not outright insulting in counting the undead or trolls in this affair. I like you.
Now, on to Orcs - they have bigger bodies than the dwarves, longer arms and feet, and you could argue that in a fight , those are an advantage. But you see now, dwarves have learnt to deal with their stature and not only once have faught the orcs. Quite successfully i might add.
Bigger hands does not garantee winning a fight. Size can be overcomed. It all depends on the size of the hammer you're wielding.
I see the dwarves at least as strong as the orcs. At least.
Dwarves are typically portrayed in fantasy settings as even stronger than their physique would suggest, but since there's no Olimpic games to test the strenght of all, we can only speculate.
My money's on the dwarves any day :p
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Well, Dwarves were technically rocks before the curse of flesh, and still can call upon those powers, while orcs have always been a pile of meat.
I think that stats originally looked like Orcs 23 strength - Dwarves 22 | Orcs 22 stamina - Dwarves 23.
But after reading the books I simply can't agree that Dwarves are equal. I mean, Dwarves are pretty strong in the books too, the Wildhammer Clan warriors are very fierce and sturdy, but the only real accomplishments they had are winning over Orcish dragon riders on their gryphons. Orcs never had the time to master the dragons truly, while Dwarves were pretty experienced. On the battlefield in the same book however, they would lose badly without the help of Humans. I think you would like Kurdran Wildhammer a lot, you two seem to think alike.
I mean we can always ask the GM's to get Muradin and Varok fighting each other, or even better the Kor'Kron and Mountain Guard.
Something tells me that won't happen however so we are left to speculate and defend our factions forever.
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I would add to those real accomplishments, that Ironforge has never been breached, and all borders arround their territory are currently secure.
Being made out of stone, the curse of the flesh only weakend them, a tid bit, not alot :) and for short periods of time, they can invoke this earthen power, making them alot stronger, but only for a short period of time.
True, there are factors involved - wether there's ale involved (or any kind of alchool) , whether the orc/dwarf are angry or not , egos insulted, etc
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Ironforge is probably the strongest fortress in Azeroth, its true it was never breached, but I would like to add a few things now that you mentioned it.
As soon as Orcs conquered Stormwind, Orgrim Doomhammer gave no rest to the Horde and marched onto Khaz Modan in order to obtain resources for building ships to sail to Lordaeron. Doomhammer broke every single castle and keep around Ironforge within the zone it is in, robbed it of resources, constructed the huge metal ships that Horde then used to sail across the sea. Most of Horde force left already and only one clan was left to deal with the Dwarves.
Kilrogg and his Bleeding Hollow Clan were doing very well and would maybe even breach the gates if they had enough time. Sadly, the new-formed Alliance crushed the Horde that was not experienced in sailing and forced them to sail back to Khaz Modan. They had to retreat and cancel the siege of Ironforge.
Another battle we can only speculate about, what if the Alliance never aided Dwarves, what if Orgrim actually made conquering Ironforge primary goal and never sent his army over the sea etc.
If you will add factors, both races are very prideful and that would improve their combat state I agree, but I am not sure would I like to see an angry orc more than an angry dwarf. Orcs sound just a bit more intimidating. Especially the blood of Mannoroth empowered ones.
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You just have to see a proper dwarf empowered by a keg of ale. Or better yet, curse a dwarf, see what happens...
Many "if"s and "what if"s , i could also speculate about, what if the Horde was not multiple races combined but just one, and the Alliance never existed but just races on the same continent. It is what it is and we all deal with it as we can.
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Of course, I just said that if we were using ifs and what ifs we could recreate the battle to be Orcs versus Dwarves, aiming at the Irongforge siege battle.
Horde back then was the Iron Horde, a bunch of Orcish clans aided by Ogres invading Dwarves, Elves and Humans minimally helped by Trolls in battles versus Elves.
I think that we can at least agree that Orc versus Dwarf is a much more challenging and interesting matchup than Orc vs any other race.
That is why I consider Dwarves almost as good.
But that is just my opinion, I guess I am lucky that we aren't in a bar talking this over a pint or I would already meet your inner Muradin.
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Tauren>Orc>Draenei>Panda>Worgen>Dwarf
http://i.imgur.com/kGTo4Fj.jpg
When u watch the muscles u can definitly see that all these classes are stronger than Dwarfes. Dwarfes are strong for their size but the other races are just twice as big.
When it comes to Pandas they are fat but have muscles under their fat like a Walrus.
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Tauren > Dwarf > Orc = Draenei
Taurens are damn animals on steroids, no human like strength come close to this. The only downside is that they live in Mulgore...those herbs all around, crack....puuffff.....dalla dalla daa ..stoned.
Dwarfs live in rough environment, they are hard workers forever, their body is a fortress, just look at their fingers ...those sausages...but if you put them in a ring vs tauren, orc, draenei, they should loose to everyone because their arm reach is one of the shortest.Edited: October 17, 2015
