Pandaria After 5 years of PVP on Cata, Mop and Wod i finally said ill give WOTLK a try

[Panofsky]

Adding new spells doesn't mean that the game itself is more complex or balanced. It just means that classes and specs are less different from each other, since every healer has got a dispelling ability and every mdps has got a stun or interrupt. Guess what? On Mop nobody used to give a **** about 2vs2 anymore because the game was so unbalanced on that bracket that everyone became a 3s hero. Now tell me more about your balance when even a bad battleground tryhard like Bajheera manages to get a glad title just because he's playing a op spec/class. Do you wanna talk about Cata? Meet my new friend here: he's a BLF/ Vial of Shadow hc equipped rogue. I hope you will not get globalled by him during the opener with just a single stun chain. So skilled....

[BuGisH4]

This thread is wrong on so many levels. Mop/Cata dps rotation being more difficult? Where a warrior doesn't even need to remember when to reapply all the debuffs or a simple bleed like Rend? Do you even know what sunder armor is and that you had to apply and refresh 5 stacks of it back in the days? NO, because you can just glyph your Colossus Smash! Have you ever tried to wait for your taste for blood proc in order to apply a unrelenting assault debuff on a caster/healer? NO, because on cata you just spam that **** everytime it procs! Mop? Where you can just spam all your cooldowns because you have so many crowd controls abilities that you can go like YOLO, CHARGE ON CD? WHO GIVES A ****? I CAN JUST STORMBOLT!

I don't even wanna talk about how many macros you have got on your pandas because I am quite sure you haven't a single one, maybe a /target=focus, maybe..... Oh, sweet old stance dance, I used to remember that.

The difference is pretty simple: you need to time and coordinate your cooldowns in order to get the right time to deal an insane pressure, build a crowd control chain, counter your enemy team or switch to the right target to kill. That's what wotlk pvp is about and if you don't get it it's because you have never played it, or your only experience is a rogue vs rogue duel where you think the fight is done yet just because you are at 30% hp already. And please don't even dare to compare a real pvp situation with the shadowmourne bukkake you are about to witness here on Molten old realms, like Ragna or DW. Stop linking stupid Klinda's movies where he just global some ****ty 0 resil pve geared noobs on bgs and watch Hoodrych 5. Blackrock pvp is way more balanced because you can't equip hc pve gear and everyone starts with a wrathful set.

Just check the difference:
- High Mop warrior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC1DpMF0Z1o
- High Wotlk warrior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyDYgfkRIdE

You're totally right.The only hard things on warrior on mop is hard reflects,like that deep freze reflects.They made warriors so easy,we dont need a bunch of macros like before to switch stances for some spells.. That make warriors so easy .I think just mop is more balanced in pvp than last expansions,(but not on warmane coz u can see everywhere bug abusers...balnce druid hitting up to 500 k ,locks double talent exploits etc..hunters with stampede 5x more heals and pet are castings spells )

[Arkannys]

Adding new spells doesn't mean that the game itself is more complex or balanced. It just means that classes and specs are less different from each other, since every healer has got a dispelling ability and every mdps has got a stun or interrupt. Guess what? On Mop nobody used to give a **** about 2vs2 anymore because the game was so unbalanced on that bracket that everyone became a 3s hero. Now tell me more about your balance when even a bad battleground tryhard like Bajheera manages to get a glad title just because he's playing a op spec/class. Do you wanna talk about Cata? Meet my new friend here: he's a BLF/ Vial of Shadow hc equipped rogue. I hope you will not get globalled by him during the opener with just a single stun chain. So skilled....

not here to defend bahjeera ...but if you are saying that hes bad... you shouldve been able to reach higher ratings and maybe compete in some major event like blizzcon ...why are you wasting time playing on a LK server if you could get easy money smashing "bad battleground tryhards playing on a easy xpac" ?

[Panofsky]

not here to defend bahjeera ...but if you are saying that hes bad... you shouldve been able to reach higher ratings and maybe compete in some major event like blizzcon ...why are you wasting time playing on a LK server if you could get easy money smashing "bad battleground tryhards playing on a easy xpac" ?

Maybe because my goal in life is not to become a youtuber which sells himself just to get more money from the views? Maybe because I still think videogames are something to play for fun during your free time?

Don't you wanna talk about Baj? Ok, let's take the Reckful example. The god of the pvp rogues which reroll an arms warrior during the first Mop season just because his main class was so ****ty he had to go for the flavour of the month. How can you consider that "balance"?

[Arkannys]

Maybe because my goal in life is not to become a youtuber which sells himself just to get more money from the views? Maybe because I still think videogames are something to play for fun during your free time?

Don't you wanna talk about Baj? Ok, let's take the Reckful example. The god of the pvp rogues which reroll an arms warrior during the first Mop season just because his main class was so ****ty he had to go for the flavour of the month. How can you consider that "balance"?

well you dont need to sell yourself on youtube to make money off of videogames but ...whatever thats not the main poin here.

people tend to choose easier routes to obtain their goals and early seasons are always a mess ...or do you forget how DK are retri pallies were on early seasons of LK?

[bornaa82]

they made warrior ezmode ill give you that....i dont even count any warrior at high rating as having skill....but all around compared to wotlk's dull simple pvp mop is a masterpiece....

check out this amazing WOTLK mage montage aka frostbolt frostbolt frostbolt frostbolt icelance action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR-bIxvAzR0

intense right?

andf then lets check out some mop mage action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7w4LjDV-mI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzmYwKXFDrA

[Miksah]

Best expansion for pvp was <enter your favourite expansion>, and it's times better than compared to simpleness of <enter expansion you hate the most>. I mean, use the plain logic and compare <enter your class> to <enter class that raped you the most so you have to trash talk it in order to feel better>. <enter your class> is sooooooooooooooo hard to play. I played <enter expansion you hate the most> and I was sick of <enter smth that happened only few times but you made a big deal of it and qq about it instead of improving>.

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[Panofsky]

they made warrior ezmode ill give you that....i dont even count any warrior at high rating as having skill....but all around compared to wotlk's dull simple pvp mop is a masterpiece....

check out this amazing WOTLK mage montage aka frostbolt frostbolt frostbolt frostbolt icelance action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR-bIxvAzR0

intense right?

andf then lets check out some mop mage action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7w4LjDV-mI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzmYwKXFDrA

If you really feel the need to compare classes try to link movies made by those who master them, not random youtube videos which are the first you get when you google "frost mage pvp wotlk".

Do you say they made warriors easy? Should we talk about other classes? Hmmmm... Ok. Let's talk about Enhancement Shamans! Do you even know how hard was to master this spec on wotlk compared to cata or mop, where even a mongoloid could use it in pvp with those insane lava lash crits? Should we take a look on retribution paladins? Oh, those holy power combo points are so hard to be stacked, especially in pvp. But who cares? I don't even have to be careful with my avenging wrath, because it doesn't give me forbereance! And the list goes on, and on, and on....

[bornaa82]

If you really feel the need to compare classes try to link movies made by those who master them, not random youtube videos which are the first you get when you google "frost mage pvp wotlk".

Do you say they made warriors easy? Should we talk about other classes? Hmmmm... Ok. Let's talk about Enhancement Shamans! Do you even know how hard was to master this spec on wotlk compared to cata or mop, where even a mongoloid could use it in pvp with those insane lava lash crits? Should we take a look on retribution paladins? Oh, those holy power combo points are so hard to be stacked, especially in pvp. But who cares? I don't even have to be careful with my avenging wrath, because it doesn't give me forbereance! And the list goes on, and on, and on....

its ok, you enjoy your simple wotlk game, we enjoy the expanded modern one...its ok to each his own ye?....i linked those videos since they are really action packed and show how expansion and developement of spells and mechanics also expands the creativity of good players and thats all....if you have any nice wotlk footage where it shows the complexity of its mechanics i would love it if you could share some so i can watch em maybe im wrong but i didnt find any

[Panofsky]

its ok, you enjoy your simple wotlk game, we enjoy the expanded modern one...its ok to each his own ye?....i linked those videos since they are really action packed and show how expansion and developement of spells and mechanics also expands the creativity of good players and thats all....if you have any nice wotlk footage where it shows the complexity of its mechanics i would love it if you could share some so i can watch em maybe im wrong but i didnt find any

So are you telling me that Zage gameplay is not complex enough? Then I think I can show you even the best footage from Hydra but you would never be able to understand how he is a master in positioning, using his cooldowns, saving them when the pressure of the enemy team is just a fake, or how and what to dispel. If you have never played wotlk, if your idea of pvp is limited to how many damaging abilities a dps class can use during a fight, there's nothing I can do to help you.

[Arkannys]

So are you telling me that Zage gameplay is not complex enough? Then I think I can show you even the best footage from Hydra but you would never be able to understand how he is a master in positioning, using his cooldowns, saving them when the pressure of the enemy team is just a fake, or how and what to dispel. If you have never played wotlk, if your idea of pvp is limited to how many damaging abilities a dps class can use during a fight, there's nothing I can do to help you.

did you ever played mop?

[Panofsky]

did you ever played mop?

Yes, I did. Not here on Warmane. And I didn't like it. I've always played a warrior arms as main char and I've found I quite boring. I had so many crowd control abilities at my disposal that with the right crowd control chain the healer of the enemy team always had to sit back. All I needed to do was to stay in the right spot in order to avoid los mechanics. The insane bursting damage done during avatar and recklessness was so stupid. Almost no macro to be used aside from the focus ones. I could switch to every stance without a problem and I didn't even need to equip my shield 90% of the time. It's not the same game anymore. It's boring as hell imo.

[Arkannys]

Yes, I did. Not here on Warmane. And I didn't like it. I've always played a warrior arms as main char and I've found I quite boring. I had so many crowd control abilities at my disposal that with the right crowd control chain the healer of the enemy team always had to sit back. All I needed to do was to stay in the right spot in order to avoid los mechanics. The insane bursting damage done during avatar and recklessness was so stupid. Almost no macro to be used aside from the focus ones. I could switch to every stance without a problem and I didn't even need to equip my shield 90% of the time. It's not the same game anymore. It's boring as hell imo.

Macros in like 90% of the cases are used just to remove the "unecessary complexity" of the game and the other 10% are pretty much optional...

[Panofsky]

Macros in like 90% of the cases are used just to remove the "unecessary complexity" of the game and the other 10% are pretty much optional...

At least on wotlk you know you are watching a noob warrior when he doesn't even shield bash a single cast, relying only on the massive damage done by his orange legendary axe.

[Whatlock]

Panofsky, stop to try arguing what that guys. They have no fkkn clue...