Hey guys,
currently I'm playing on lordaeron and I can't decide what spec I want to play with as soon as I hit 60/70/80. I like all of them, and got no preference, but I never played Wotlk before (only vanilla,tbc,cata so far). So, what I want to ask you guys is, which spec is @ wotlk the most enjoyable to get gear, have fun, being useful, pve and pvp- wise? (I played enhance vanilla/tbc and ele/resto cata, so I really enjoy all of them)
Thanks in advance! :)
(Share your opinions as pro/con or as your own experience, every advice is helpful :))
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which spec
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Every 25man Raid needs at least one shaman. In most cases this is a Resto Shaman. For composition purposes I would also always try to get an Elemental Shaman for the SP buff.
Most 10man raids will also take on of them, especially for progress raids.
Enhancement Shamans only provide buffs that other - higher DPS - classes also provide. Not really a reason to take an Enhancement Shaman in WotLk raids.
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This is not entirely true. Totem of wrath will be strong for the first few tiers of wotlk, but once demonology warlocks begin to gain more spellpower through gear they will make elemental shamans less valuable.
Enhancement shamans do provide a unique raid buff through strength of earth totem + enhancing totems (which, to be fair, elemental shamans can also take). However enhancement should, and will out dps elemental in standstill fights. The enhancement 'rotation' is much more complicated than elemental and thus results in, in my opinion, a much more rewarding and fun spec.
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ToW will always provide a static SP value. No reason not to have this in the raid, even if you have a demo lock. If for some reason the lock can't keep up the buff (no crits, encounter specific down time, dead warlock, dead pet...) it is still a good fallback.
Also http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=57623
100% true, it is a fun spec. But at the current and upcoming state on Lordaeron everything will be about progression and there will be no need for enhancement shamans.
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Banned
I'd say just go Resto. Elemental is boring with just keeping up Flame Shock, Lava Burst and filling with Lightning Bolt and you're not even gonna be close to top DPS. Enhancement is fun at first but if you're after top DPS then you're gonna feel frustrated with it.
Ele provides an unique raid buff in the face of Totem of Wrath, but it is static so with progression its value will decrease. The 3% crit doesn't stack with Heart of the Crusader and Master Poisoner, but it is AoE which can be good in some cases, and doesn't require any additional management besides having the totem up and in range.
Enha gives Unleashed Rage, which doesn't stack with Abomination's Might, and Improved Windfury Totem for a total of 20% haste, which doesn't stack with Improved Icy Talons. Now the special thing about Enha is that it has Enhancing Totems, which makes Strength of Earth Totem better than Horn of Winter, but 15% from 155 is just 23 :D Is it worth taking an Enh Shaman over a Frost DK then having in mind the amount of DPS the two specs can pull? No.
In the end every raid has to have at least one Shaman for Bloodlust, but only Resto gives truly unique traits to the raid in the face of healing & mana totems, Mana Tide Totem, Earth Shield and of course the most important thing: Chain Heal - a no-brainer multi-target smart-targeted heal with each tick being able to proc Earthliving Weapon and Ancestral Healing. And then we also have the situational totems which Resto can use without harming its performance as much as Ele or Enha would.Edited: October 20, 2015
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Does totem of wrath stack with demonic pack?
Enhance shami will be one of the most important supporter when Northrend comes out because DKs gonna need some time to level up so Enhance will bring two unique buffs to the raid.
About the bad reputation of Enhance shami and that they do such a low dmg:
I have the feeling that most Enhance shamis cant master their spec. The spell priority system of enhance shami is super hard to master in a fluent way and half of the Enhance shamis out there dont even use magma totem and fire nova which makes them lose like 20% dps.
In addition the gearing of Enhance shami is complicated as f***. We dont have one "best" stat that outperforms all other stats. There is a crit cap, a hit cap, a expertice cap, haste and ap. Depending on the gear either haste, crit or ap is better. At a certain point its even worth to stack hit past the cap because it increase the crit cap.
Ill raid as Enhance shami on Lordaeron and my goal gonna be to out dps this bloody ret palys. :D
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Banned
not to be the proverbial douche here but with the talents and patch already at 3.3.5 who really knows for certain? i mean we all know the buffs they will bring but i dont think anyone has actually ran numbers or theorycrafted gear because this wont be anything like retail at all except for better scripting off NPCs and spells abilities. if the patch was set for 3.0 then sure yea you might be able to find some stuff on that still but its basically like playing on ragnaros or deathwing now (in before omg better scripts, yes. i know), only you cant get ulduar, toc or icc gear. or a better way to look at it would be trying to do do naxx on rag with only naxx gear but 3.3.5 talents and hot fixes that were made throughout the entire wotlk expansion. should make for a fun theory crafting debate but then again i trust the IQ of players here as about as far as i can throw the continent of Europe.
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My assumption is that ret palys and bm hunter gonna top the dmg charts on lower tier.
BM hunter because they are the least gear dependent class and ret paly because no matter if they are well or bad geared, they always hit hard.
Maybe also arcan mage? I heared they do pretty good single target dps on lower tier.
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Banned
heard something about boomkins being ******edly OP as well. but how are for instance resto shamans every going to reach 1256 haste to cap lesser healing wave in naxx gear or even ulduar gear is beyond me. same for resto druids. when they changed GotEM from a 20% increase in 3.2 to a 10% increase in haste in 3.5 it made them really have to gem and gear for more haste to get rejuv to the GCD. there is no way any resto druid will be rocking 735 haste in the lower haste cap spec in naxx gear. that is my only complaint about lord. its more custom content than progressive blizzlike. if it was blizzlike we would see the 3.0 talents and abilities. but we are getting 3.3.5 not what was current at naxx times in retail. lots changed over the course of the expansion.
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Banned
I'm not sure about that. This is from last week's LK 25hc, check the damage done by the Elemental Shaman:
http://i.imgur.com/CxqTYCW.jpgEdited: October 20, 2015
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Banned
yea but thats not lord. lets assume for a second all classes work 100% right in ICC. rogues, ferals, locks, warriors, dks with the occasional boomkin/ele/sp will be pulling your tops dps. ele and enh were alwyas middle of the road dps for the most part. ele would have the better damage of the two. again this is assuming everything working 100%
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It shouldn't. It does on Ragnaros/Deathwing, but it's probably safe to assume this won't be the case on Lordaeron.
That's honestly either more a statement about how that particular Ele Shaman was really good (or about how the rest of the raid was really bad), than it is a statement about Ele's DPS being anything other than mediocre.
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Wind of Northrend
Dude u should check more b4 u say such crap , or just raid with proper ele shamans in raid.
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Yep, the 3.3.5 DPS rankings are rubbish, all the spreadsheets are a giant lie, and the experience of several raiders in guilds both here and on retail attesting to the fact that Elemental's damage is largely mediocre don't hold any weight at all before 1 lone screenshot.
Edit: Also it'd be nice to a see a breakdown of that guy's damage done on targets. Wouldn't surprise me if during p1.5 he was going ham on the adds with chain lightning/magma totem/fire nova.Edited: October 20, 2015
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Chain Lightning yes, no Magma or Fire Nova tho. It'd be silly to account that much damage discrepancy from the usual Ele shamans to 'aoeing ghouls' only. My point was to prove the "you're not even gonna be close to top DPS" guy wrong, which I did. This specific Ele shaman gets close to the top. Of course it depends on the rest of the players, if you have a **** raid filled with bad hunters and a good ele is #1 it doesn't make elemental shamans the #1 DPS of the expansion.
Just because the average ele shaman DPS is mediocre on logs/rankings compared to other classes (provided same gear/encounter/skill) it doesn't mean you're not gonna be anywhere close to the top, that's the thing, and that's what the guy just said.
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