Its Called Random BG

[Obnoxious]

So if there's a MoP thread saying AV is popping too much, it shows that its how it is supposed to work on retail. Because "Actually the only difference would be that in those expansions people have a way to sort of avoid the higher chance by blacklisting Alterac Valley, which apparently many people don't, yet complain."

BUT, if we can prove that AV is not popping more than others bgs on WoD, it shows nothing. Because "Three expansions later. What happens nowadays wouldn't necessarily prove anything about how it was years ago. Systems and mechanics have been tweaked and changed over the years."

Nice logic.

I get that the passing of time is complicated, but make an effort...

If something happened throughout years with people complaining, you have a pattern.
If that something stops happening in the current version because of a new option, at most you could prove the pattern existed, and a mechanic to help people who wanted a way out of it was inserted.

What happened in the past can be used as evidence when you're trying to emulate something from the past. What is happening in the present, and which is known to be an addition that didn't exist when said evidence did, changes nothing about what happened in the past.

[Naatla]

I don't know if it shows anything, but the related bugtracker report have "confirmed" status.

https://www.warmane.com/bugtracker/report/14642

[Obnoxious]

I don't know if it shows anything, but the related bugtracker report have "confirmed" status.

https://www.warmane.com/bugtracker/report/14642

Which can simply mean how often the other ones show needs to be slightly tweaked, not that this specific one isn't meant to show up more - something that has been stated by QA Staff in the past.

[Naatla]

I get that the passing of time is complicated, but make an effort...

If something happened throughout years with people complaining, you have a pattern.
If that something stops happening in the current version because of a new option, at most you could prove the pattern existed, and a mechanic to help people who wanted a way out of it was inserted.

What happened in the past can be used as evidence when you're trying to emulate something from the past. What is happening in the present, and which is known to be an addition that didn't exist when said evidence did, changes nothing about what happened in the past.

Don't you agree that giving 70% chance to get a bg with the random battleground feature doesn't makes sense ? Yeah I know it's still random but that's not the point. The explanation of why in certain battlegroups people were getting too much AV on retail has already been given : Alliance specifically queing for AV because they, at this time, were winning it a lot.

"a mechanic to help people who wanted a way out of it was inserted" doesn't makes sense either in my humble opinion. If AV popping too much was an issue, they'd simply change the random battleground formula. The ability to blacklist bgs was only added for people that don't like certain bgs, nothing else.


Edit :

Which can simply mean how often the other ones show needs to be slightly tweaked, not that this specific one isn't meant to show up more - something that has been stated by QA Staff in the past.

Finally we get there. You admit that maybe (maybe !) there really is something wrong. It was difficult but we got there.

[Obnoxious]

Don't you agree that giving 70% chance to get a bg with the random battleground feature doesn't makes sense ? Yeah I know it's still random but that's not the point.

Not at all. If Blizzard wanted to encourage people to play one Battleground this would be the way to do it. You people play a game based on RNG with biased results, but can't fathom it being applied to another thing?

[QUOTE=Naatla;2621385] The explanation of why in certain battleground people were getting too much AV on retail has already been given : Alliance specifically queing for AV because they, at this time, were winning it a lot.

Already addressed. Bringing this up again is laughable. The amount of data and context missing to make this claim is absurd.

"a mechanic to help people who wanted a way out of it was inserted" doesn't makes sense either in my humble opinion. If AV popping too much was an issue, they'd simply change the random battleground formula. The ability to blacklist bgs was only added for people that don't like certain bgs, nothing else.

Read the first paragraph again. Where do you take from that the issue was one Battleground showing up too much, and not the people complaining about that instead? If I want to encourage people who don't care (i.e., picking random) and a few are complaining, I'll give the ones complaining something to distract them, not change the whole idea.

Finally we get there. You admit that maybe (maybe !) there really is something wrong. It was difficult but we got there.

Grasping at straws intensifies.

[Sunite]

Not at all. If Blizzard wanted to encourage people to play one Battleground this would be the way to do it. You people play a game based on RNG with biased results, but can't fathom it being applied to another thing?

They wanted people to play AV which is not even a realm BG because its either zerg fest or PvE race? Makes sence...

Anyway to the topic. This is not even close to Blizzlike perhaps nowdays retail which is not relevant, however back then in WotLK days AV was not poping that much. If anything it was poping the least, unless it was AV weekend.

I know it because i played 24/7 back then. However does not matter if i am right or wrong. Unless you want this to be pure PvE realm you better fix this issue.

[yairomii]

I don't know if it shows anything, but the related bugtracker report have "confirmed" status.

https://www.warmane.com/bugtracker/report/14642

If what the guy said is true

ONCE Eye of the Storm, ONCE Arathi Basin and TWICE Warsong Gulch... Out of 40ish bg's

and is not a made up number, then I'm 100% certain this is broken.
Getting AV often would mean at least every 2nd bg, not 9 out of 10.

[Kings1ayer]

A bit off-topic, but has anyone played and got the chance to test out SotA a bit, which is has just been released? I hope it's less bugged than the one DW and Ragna.

[Naatla]

Not at all. If Blizzard wanted to encourage people to play one Battleground this would be the way to do it.

The problem is you have no proof "Blizzard wanted to encourage people to play one Battleground". People complaining on forums is not a proof that what they were complaining about was intended by Blizzard.

You people play a game based on RNG with biased results, but can't fathom it being applied to another thing?

No because here it doesn't makes sense at all. And there's no proof.

The explanation of why in certain battleground people were getting too much AV on retail has already been given : Alliance specifically queing for AV because they, at this time, were winning it a lot.

Already addressed. Bringing this up again is laughable. The amount of data and context missing to make this claim is absurd.

There is data.
http://www.wow-stats.info/bgwr01.html
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...Tweets-DLC-424

Grasping at straws intensifies.

Maybe you're just trolling. Tell me, does your opinion about potential bugs is taken into account by the devs ? If yes, it's bad news.

I'll add that with your incredibly arrogant attitude, it's really not a pleasure to speak with you.

[Obnoxious]

The problem is you have no proof "Blizzard wanted to encourage people to play one Battleground". People complaining on forums is not a proof that what they were complaining was intended by Blizzard.

Neither do you otherwise.

No because here it doesn't makes sense at all. And there's no proof.

It doesn't makes sense to you. Idem above.

There is data.
http://www.wow-stats.info/bgwr01.html
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...Tweets-DLC-424

The only thing that data proves is you love yourself some confirmation bias.

I'll add that with your incredibly arrogant attitude, it's really not a pleasure to speak with you.

Feel free to not look at my posts. If you're unable to avoid it, I can arrange it for you. Just don't count on getting a second warning.

[Naatla]

Neither do you otherwise.

You came up with this illogical idea. You are the only one in this thread who thinks like that. You have the burden of proof, not me.

It doesn't makes sense to you.

It doesn't makes sense to all the people in this thread besides you.

The only thing that data proves is you love yourself some confirmation bias.

I don't see any argument.

[Syladis]

This is a Blizz-like Realm, but it's created in the image Warmane want's it to be.

RDF is disabled, OS / Naxx / EoE are buffed, no Hairlooms etc...

One could argue that at that point in time Blizzard wanted it to work like that, but you could also argue it was an overlook by them since they decided to introduce BG exclusion in the future. They could've been aware of it and simply ignored it at the time, didn't want to bother with it. Maybe they like it that way... My point here is this, it really doesn't matter... What matters is , what's Warmane willing to do about that. Are they willing to tweak it, reduce the number of AVs, change how Queuing system works, merge RBG with specific BG que etc. So instead of all your pointless posts, about who's right and wrong, you should've simply approached it differently. "Hey Warmane, can you do something about the sheer number of active AVs in comparison to other BGs? It might not be Blizz-like, but could you please take a look into it". If they say No, it's done, it is how it is, if they say Yes, then it might get better in the future.

I personally do not Pvp that much at this moment, so I couldn't care less, but if you want something to be done, you should try something other then attacking. They already made a huge customization on Realm by excluding certain things, a small tweak for Pvp community wouldn't be much of a problem if it was brought up in a nicer manner. Keep that in mind for the future and similar things.

[Kempachu]

For me they could delete that AV from bg list here. Wrost bg ever made by blizz. Imo they should make AV weekends with it opned. Other than that - no to AV.
On topic. there is no point to argue with him. Devs should try to make some tweaks to lower proc. They already did that in past with AV. Dunno if that happened on cata or mop, but they did ,cause like here AV was poping way way too often.

[Naatla]

The bug has been fixed with the last update \o/ Thanks to the devs !