LoD Guilds Exploits

[magaginho]

I clearly stated tha they are awesome tanks with alot of cc's that works for soaking, I also stated clearly that Tanks swap the soaking after using their cd's, The paladin tank as OT for adds in 1st wave is just what you normal have, you can go 2 warriors to, swapping soaking with eachother after they come out of frostmourne. Again you put words into my mouth, I thought this childish behaviour was dealt.



I was quoting Valkyres, Not vile spirits. like I was talking about this whole time... jesus christ dude.

OK: I will NOT put words in your mouth. Ready?

I have seen very skilled warriors and shadow priests soaking a whole wave of spirits, not letting even 1 trough,

It's not a childish behaviour. It's quoting your own words. Measure your words when you're not 100% sure about a topic. Also I don't remember anyone here state that Warriors are not awesome tanks.

[Kasumii]

I was quoting Valkyres, Not vile spirits. like I was talking about this whole time... jesus christ dude.

We've been talking about vile spirits this whole time over the last few posts, not valkyres.

[Disktrasa]

I mean, you do realize that using Typhoon to knock down spirits from the air to the ground is an exploit, right?

Risking your tank? Really? And why would you want the tank to blow all of those CDs to soak them when A) DKs do it better, and B) using a DK instead of a Warrior tank wouldn't risk one of the tanks. If you're talking about a Warrior DPS, then lol. They shouldn't be doing that for the very same reason a Ret shouldn't. But, you want the Paladin tank to do the soaks too?

Hello, but what is SOUL REAPER?

Why the hell wouldn't you prefer a DK dps? Seriously?

You want to make these arguments and then tell me to stop. You make absolutely zero sense.

wow again... Lynea, DK tanks are atm broken and take much much more damage from lich king then they should, so no one quite wants them to be compleately honest. Frost tanks might midigate dmg better but they lack the "under 35% hp take less dmg" wich is kinda a MUST for tanking LK.

Yes I do know its an exploit, same as HoP on PP, or Holy wrath on Valkyres, **** Lynea theres so many exploits... you know this aswell as me.

You are right though about DK's Taking vile spirits, but then again, AMS dosent soak endless ammount, after 2 explosions, its gone. Icebound fortitude has quite a long CD and you cant use your "death strike to heal", blood tap and more health is what you have along with the parry chanse to reflect magic dmg taken. But if you do go with a DK then hes bound to tank LK in phase 1, and to stay on viles the whole phase 3.

[Disktrasa]

We've been talking about vile spirits this whole time over the last few posts, not valkyres.

Exactly my point, and the "impossible part" was about Valkyres, Not vile spirits, again, you dont get it? come on you can do it.

[Sixtyninee]

I like how direct quotes about viles being impossible are ignored. It's very reassuring.

[Kasumii]

I like how direct quotes about viles being impossible are ignored. It's very reassuring.

Exactly my point, and the "impossible part" was about Valkyres, Not vile spirits, again, you dont get it? come on you can do it.

I suggest you either take a few moments to reread your own post or just go to bed bro...seriously.

[Disktrasa]

Yes magaginho I meant warrior Tanks offcourse, lol sending a fury to soak.

"Valkyres are 2 times faster then retail, cannot be slowed wich they can be in retail, so you kinda have to stun them, but that an exploit, but how are you able to clear LoD if, lets say sht hits the fan and you get 9 people grabbed, Including healers, making 2nd transition impossible (some valks even teleport people out from platform instantly)"

^-^ Again, Valkyres, I didnt say Vile spirits Cant be soaked without moonkins exploited, Its quite Impossible for most of the server though, But still doable.

I suggest you either take a few moments to reread your own post or just go to bed bro...seriously.

I suggest you to learn to read posts better bro... seriously.

I like how direct quotes about viles being impossible are ignored. It's very reassuring.

"Quite Impossible" and that would actually apply for 99% of the realm to be compleately honest, Its still doable since I also posted that Ive personally done it myself on 10man hc AND 25man hc along with Warrior tank and 2 more shadow priests in raid.

Again with the "putting words into my mouth" now this is getting really childish guys...

[Lynea]

wow again... Lynea, DK tanks

Whoah. Hold on. I'm going to stop you right there.

Why the hell wouldn't you prefer a DK dps? Seriously?

You are right though about DK's Taking vile spirits, but then again, AMS dosent soak endless ammount, after 2 explosions, its gone. Icebound fortitude has quite a long CD and you cant use your "death strike to heal", blood tap and more health is what you have along with the parry chanse to reflect magic dmg taken. But if you do go with a DK then hes bound to tank LK in phase 1, and to stay on viles the whole phase 3.

The reason I was talking about a DPS is that, unlike a tank, they are expendable. AMS is currently broken, it doesn't have an absorb cap. An Unholy DK would also have AMZ, and the CD on Icebound Fortitude is irrelevant, since the DPS wouldn't use it for anything else. Don't need Death Strike, since there is Death Pact as well.

p.s. Blood tanks? Seriously? I have a feeling you are completely numb to the awesomeness of a Frost or Unholy tank. Then again, so is the majority of the server. This isn't Cata, and for people to argue with Blood as the basis for their arguments are dumb. There is a reason why Unholy was THE tank spec for top-end raiding guilds in WotLK on retail.

Are you done raging yet?

[Kasumii]

I suggest you to learn to read posts better bro... seriously.

Your grammar gets progressivly worse with each post. Either stop drinking or calm down and form proper sentences so you can express yourself in the way you really mean the first time.

[Disktrasa]

Whoah. Hold on. I'm going to stop you right there.


The reason I was talking about a DPS is that, unlike a tank, they are expendable. AMS is currently broken, it doesn't have an absorb cap. An Unholy DK would also have AMZ, and the CD on Icebound Fortitude is irrelevant, since the DPS wouldn't use it for anything else. Don't need Death Strike, since there is Death Pact as well.

p.s. Blood tanks? Seriously? I have a feeling you are completely numb to the awesomeness of a Frost or Unholy tank.

Whoa Hold on Im goin to stop you right there.

Reason I was talking about having a good tank and classes with high dmg absorbtion to soak was because if someone dies in the first place, LK will be enraged, (Ive said this atleast a couple of times now) and unless you are willing to actually use your battle resses on THAT... since all I se when dk's try to soak is them ending up dead because they overate the ammount AMS can absorb.

For talking about anti exploiting you are sure willing to go soak with a bugged AMS tho, isnt that exploiting if anything? nice priorities.

About frost tanks I just stated in a post above that they are better for midigating damage, but they lack the (dont remember name) "under 35% hp take less dmg", Ive done LoD many times with Frost tanks and they usually do great.
My bad for the miss spelling, I meant to say Blood is so bugged that no one wants a Blood dk, Frost and Unholy is Imo very good.

All the things we have talked about so far, how classes should be used, etc, it would be a ****ing dream to have them all do this in a raid specially at LK, but to face the actual facts, it's not goin to happend. If you do get LoD doin it "all legit" though then Hats off for you guys, seriously. Because so far, no one has, and thats the reason you kinda ask for too much, just because you guys do it so hard that you have to wipe for hours / days hell even month's if your unlucky dosen't mean the whole server should aswell, and thats the whole reason why Gm's allow some things.

Your grammar gets progressivly worse with each post. Either stop drinking or calm down and form proper sentences so you can express yourself in the way you really mean the first time.

All the quoting me made you just look stupid and now you go gramar nazi. GG man, go to bed.

[Sixtyninee]

GG man, go to bed.

Out of curiosity, because I've been thinking about it, have you been up since raid?

[Disktrasa]

lol actually yeah, Catching up to "the walking dead" while forums whoring, missed the whole season... Dont you dare spoil!

[Sixtyninee]

lol actually yeah, Catching up to "the walking dead" while forums whoring, missed the whole season... Dont you dare spoil!

Oh, well in that case I'm going to leave a wall of spoilers.

Spoiler: Show

why'd you look?

PS: go to bed you scrub, it's even 9:30pm on the west coast of the US lol

[kataproof]

It seems like every other post contains the phrase "missed the point" so let's go through the progression of the thread real quick. It went from a respectable and generalized post about the mass exploit of LoD and what should / will be done to the offenders to the guilds who exploit it trying to cover their asses vs. the guilds who do it properly according to warmanes standards then to specific people calling each they're ******ed because they can't quite grasp the point that yes, the server has bugs and yes, the bugs require work arounds to get the boss down. There is a difference between a work around to a bug that makes the boss unkillable and an unnecessary exploit of a bug to make the bosses easier because the work arounds are to hard for some people. There are a few guilds that have not used any frowned upon exploits on LK, I won't name them. Saying that if they ban guilds for using cyclone and JoJ they will end up banning the entire server is completely ludicrous, as I said above there are a few of us who don't use these bugs to make the LK encounter easier besides the ones that molten has allowed in the past. Just because the warmane staff has said that they are undecided on the consequences of JoJ and cyclone doesn't mean it is/should be allowed to do. Regardless of whose side I am on, the guilds who exploited messed up big time and in my opinion the staff is even more messed up for rewarding exploiting guilds with 150&23 coin gear with exploits. I personally want to see a small punishment for the Raiders and a bigger punishment on raid leaders who allowed it to happen without saying "wipe the raid we exploited." Everyone slips up at sometimes or has a bad apple in the raid, but continuing the fight after it being said out loud that it is going on is bad leading. I have already gotten more personal than I wanted to but whatever. If Warmane wants to call themselves blizzlike and allow these non work around exploits to happen then so be it, it just makes them look bad and it's players look even worse. Remember what happened to the first guild to kill LK with saronite bombs? Banned and achievements removed. Even though they had no idea what caused the platform to appear still punished. Maybe the same should be done here maybe not. Stop trying to defend wrong doings because you are scared of the consequences that may or may not come. This post probably wont make any sense but it had a point in the end or atleast i think it does and get back on topic for the love of god, you are all missing the point here.

[Lynea]

Whoa Hold on Im goin to stop you right there.

Reason I was talking about having a good tank and classes with high dmg absorbtion to soak was because if someone dies in the first place, LK will be enraged, (Ive said this atleast a couple of times now) and unless you are willing to actually use your battle resses on THAT... since all I se when dk's try to soak is them ending up dead because they overate the ammount AMS can absorb.

???
You can ress them either way. A DPS dying is FAR less of a liability to the raid. You can't refute that. And no, a DK who knows what they're doing wouldn't die.

For talking about anti exploiting you are sure willing to go soak with a bugged AMS tho, isnt that exploiting if anything? nice priorities.

Are you daft? I was correcting you. AMS does not break like it should. That doesn't mean you should exploit it.

About frost tanks I just stated in a post above that they are better for midigating damage, but they lack the (dont remember name) "under 35% hp take less dmg", Ive done LoD many times with Frost tanks and they usually do great.

Of course they lack that. If they had that on top of their up-front mitigation, there would literally be no reason to spec into Blood. I can list off people in this thread, just this thread, who know that I can tank LK on my DK and laugh off any of the damage like it is nothing.

My bad for the miss spelling, I meant to say Blood is so bugged that no one wants a Blood dk, Frost and Unholy is Imo very good.

Blood isn't undesirable because of any of the bugs it has. If any or all of those bugs were fixed, it would still be a paper-tank.

All the things we have talked about so far, how classes should be used, etc, it would be a ****ing dream to have them all do this in a raid specially at LK, but to face the actual facts, it's not goin to happend. If you do get LoD doin it "all legit" though then Hats off for you guys, seriously. Because so far, no one has, and thats the reason you kinda ask for too much, just because you guys do it so hard that you have to wipe for hours / days hell even month's if your unlucky dosen't mean the whole server should aswell, and thats the whole reason why Gm's allow some things.

Myself, a few others in this very thread, and some others have been doing (and streaming!) "all legit" ICC. We started with 10n yesterday. We did 10hc all the way up to 10% on Sindragosa today, but ran out of time. I have also done a zero-exploit LoD multiple times, including guilds in which I was in the leadership during the time (Radiance, for one). But I think to myself, why would I want a congratulations from you? You who went out of your way to take my post, which was intended to critique & explain things to people posting & reading on here, and insult and rage at me -- stating that, AND I QUOTE,

Im seriously considering if your LoD acheivement was all carried through

Yeah, I bet. I'm so "carried" through this content that people who know me, go out of their way to try and bring me into their raids, because they know for a fact that I'll never trigger a shadow trap, that I regularly top damage, attack things I'm supposed to, and actually support as a paladin like a good paladin would.

You've made it exceedingly clear that you're only posting just for the sake of argument. You have been so triggered that you just can't resist to post. Which is fine, I guess, since I'm kinda doing the same since people love to **** talk me for no reason and with no basis.

Good night.