Cataclysm [Guide] Subtlety Rogue pvp

[RatedEdge]

Table of Contents
1. Specs
2. Glyphs
3. Stat priority
4. Enchants
5. Gemming
6. Finishers
7. Races (and racials)
8. Macros
9. Addons


1. Specs
There are currently 2 very popular rogue specs out right now. They are the 8/2/31 Backstab spec and the 8/2/31 Hemo spec

(Backstab spec)

(Hemo spec)

2. Glyphs
There are actually a few really good glyphs, sadly we can only get three of each

Prime
Shadow Dance - Adds 2 seconds to your shadow dance
Hemo - Adds a bleed debuff thats easier to keep up for SV
Backstab - Backstab crits return 5 energy
Slice N Dice - Increases the duration of slice n dice by
Eviscerate - Increases critical strike chance of Eviscerate by 10%

Major
Preperation - Resets the CD on Kick, Dismantle, and Smoke Bomb
Blind - Clears off all dots on target you blind
Garrote - Increases the duration of garrotes silence effect by 1.5 seconds

Minor
Safe Fall - increases distance you fall without taking any damage
Poisons - Increases poison application*
Distract - Increases the range of your distract by 5 yards
(please note that * is a glyph for arenas. If you are mostly doing BGs or RBGs its better to swap glyph of poisons for glyph of blurred speed)

For the 10/0/31 Backstab spec you will want to use
Prime
Shadowdance
Backstab
Hemo
For the 8/2/31 Hemo spec you will want to use

Prime
Shadowdance
Hemo
Slice N Dice or Eviscerate

The comparison between Slice N Dice and Eviscerate is a personal choice.

Glyph of Slice N Dice allows more uptime on slice n dice leaving more combo points for recup/kidney/evis

Glyph of Eviscerate allows for harder hitting eviscerates adding a little bit more burst in a dance

(We dont use backstab glyph as hemo due to the fact that backstab is not worth the energy cost with the loss of Puncturing Wounds)

3. Stat Priority
With Rogues it is pretty simple, your main stat you want to have is Agility. Agility affects not only your AP, but crit and dodge as well.

Rogue PvP stat system is this
Agility > PvP hit (5%) > Expertise (20/20) > Crit > Haste > Mastery

4. Enchants
Helm - 65 Agility + 35 Resil (Honor vendor/TB vendor)
Shoulder - 50 Agility + 25 Resil (Honor vendor/TB vendor
Cloak - 70 Spell Pen or 22 Agility or 65 Crit
Chest - 40 Resil or +20 Stats
Bracers - 50 Agility
Gloves - 20 Agility or 50 Expertise
Belt - Ebonsteel Belt Buckle
Legs - 190 Attack Power + 55 Crit
Boots - 35 Agility
Main Hand - Landslide
Off Hand - Pyrium Weapon Chain

5. Gemming
Gemming relies almost completely on your gear setup and personal preference.

As a rogue you dont need alot resil compared to most other classes because of how many escape mechanics we have.

Red = Agility
Yellow = Agility + Resil
Blue = Agiliy +Hit


(The above gemming is if you are wanting to match socket bonuses I personally feel you should gem straight Agility if you are wearing full PvP gear and only use agility + resil if you are wearing 2 or 3 plus PvE pieces or agility + hit if you are having issues getting capped)

6. Finishers
Rogues have a priority system when it comes to finishers.

Priority system

Recuperate - Due to being a small heal + energy regeneration
Kidney Shot - Dont just use it to use it. Use it when someone on your team needs a peel, going for a kill, or to control the other team.
Slice and Dice - Increases our attack speed and is a solid damage boost
Eviscerate - Is more of a combo point dump, you will really only use this if Recup and SnD is already up and you dont need to kidney to peel/cc someone.
Rupture - Never used
Expose Armor - Never used

7. Racials
Here I am going to break down both Alliance and Horde racials and my personal opinion for which is "best" for each faction.

Alliance
Human - Every Man For Himself
Night Elf - Shadowmelf
Gnome - Escape Artist
Worgen - Worgen Sprint
Dwarf - Stoneform

Horde
Undead - Will of the Forsaken
Blood Elf - Arcane Torrent
Orc - Blood fury + Stun resist
Goblin - Rocket Jump + Rocket Barrage
Troll - Berserk

8. Macros
As far as the focus macro's, it might also be worth noting that you can set a modifier key (whichever you prefer out of alt, shift, or ctrl) to automatically cast at your focus. So, the really simple focus macros aren't even required anymore. The only problem with this is if you set focus for different things. For example my focus shiv is shift e while focus gouge is ctr w.

Macros are one of those things that can make or break you. I will list as many of mine as I can. There are 2 types of macros you will use as a rogue in PvP.

@Focus macros and @arena1/2/3 ect. What these macros do is allow you to say gouge your focus while keeping your kill target targeted.

The below Macro isnt rogue specific and should be used on everytoon if you plan on doing arenas past a point cap.

/focus arena1

While not looking like much what this does is change your focus to the Arena 1 frame. Then you would make 2 more changing the 1 to a 2 for arena 2 and 3 for arena 3. What this Macro does is set the person you want as focus quickly without having to right click Gladius or the actual frame and set them as a focus.

As a rogue there are a few ability's you are going to want to have a bind for the regular and a @focus as well.

#showtooltip X 
/cast [target=focus] X or /cast [@focus] x

Is what the macro would look like. You can also copy this one and just change the X to what ability you need. The ability's you need to do this too are kick, gouge, Shiv, cheapshot, garrote, dismantle, blind, shadowstep.

Blind Macros
I currently have 4 blind macros
3 for Arena 1,2,3 that look like. You should have one of these macros for each one for blind and also dismantle.

#showtooltip Blind
/cast [target=arena1] Blind

Again I swap out arena1 for arena2 and then I have a focus blind that looks like

#showtooltip Blind
/cast [nomod,target=focus,exists,harm,nostealth] Blind; Blind

What this macro does is blinds your focus if you have one set, if you dont it blinds your current target.

Again you just change out 1 for 2/3

Shadow dance macro

#show Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Dance
/use 14
/use 10

What this macro does is use my shadowdance along with my trinket in slot 14 (my On use trinket) The /use 10 is there so that way when my second shadow dance is up (onuse will still be on CD) I will use my synapse springs the same time I use my dance.

You can also put /use 13 for the other trinket slot. It all depends on where you have your trinkets placed on your gear sets.

Sap macros
I currently run 2 sap macros

#showtooltip sap
/stopattack
/console targetNearestDistance 10.000000
/targetenemy
/console targetNearestDistance 41.000000
/cast sap

This is my find stealth macro, if you ever are in an arena or BG agaisnt a druid or another rogue just spam this and you will have a much easier time getting a sap.

Sheevah has said they changed the format and all you need is

#showtooltip
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap

I personally havent tried this and am using the same macro Nahjx gave me. Try whichever one works better for you.

I then have a Focus Sap macro

Deadly Throw/Throw

#showtooltip Deadly Throw
/cast Deadly Throw
/cast !throw

This macro allows me to deadlythrow if I have combo points and then throw using the same bind

Kidneyshot + redirect Kidneyshot

This macro is one of my favorites. If I hit the bind for this it kidneys my target, while if I hit shift it lets me redirect kidney my focus (please be aware you have to hit it twice when hitting shift, once to redirect and then once to Kidney)

#showtooltip Kidney Shot
/startattack
/cast [nomod,stance:0/3] Kidney shot
/castsequence [mod:shift,stance:0/3,@focus, exists] reset=20 Redirect, Kidney Shot

Shadowstep + Shadowstep Focus Kick

What this macro does is shadowstep my current target, if I hit Shift it Shadowsteps my focus target. If I hit Shift again it will kick my focus target

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [nomod] Shadowstep
/cast [mod:shift,@focus] Shadowstep
/cast [mod:shift,@focus] kick

Stealth Macros. The following are my stealth macros I use when in stealth

#showtooltip Ambush
/cast Premeditation
/cast [nomod] Ambush
/cast [mod:shift] Garrote
/cast [mod:ctrl,@focus] Garrote

#showtooltip Cheap Shot
/cast Premeditation
/cast [nomod] Cheap Shot
/cast [mod:shift] Premeditation
/cast [mod:ctrl,@focus] Cheap Shot

Now these macros will only work based on how you set up your bars. The Ambush macro is dragged onto my S bind and whenever I hit S it ambushes, shift S is a garrote, and control S is a focus garrote. You can change them up based on preference or make individual macros for each /cast

Poison Macro

#showtooltip wound poison
/use [nomod, button:1] Wound Poison; [nomod, button:2] Crippling Poison; [mod:shift, button:3] Crippling Poison
/use [button:1] 16; [button:2] 17; [button:3] 18
/click StaticPopup1Button1

This macro allows for easy poison application, make sure you put it somewhere you dont have a bind. Hover over it and press left mouse button for wound, right mouse button for crip on OH and shift wheel for crip on thrown.

9. Addons

Gladius - Tracks Enemy teams CDs/DRs in Arena
Battleground Targets - Gladius like tool tracking enemys health/spec/mana/FC status in BGs
Diminishing Returns - Tracks DRs on the unit frame
Lose Control - Shows CC over portrait
OmniCC - Shows swing timers
Juked - Shows the abiltiys the other team uses on CD
ExtraCD - Tracks trinkets internal cooldown
Poisoner - Easier application of poisons

- if you have any questions /w me (Edgee) alliance human.

[woohoos]

Recuperate - Due to being a small heal + energy regeneration
Kidney Shot - Dont just use it to use it. Use it when someone on your team needs a peel, going for a kill, or to control the other team.
Slice and Dice - Increases our attack speed and is a solid damage boost
Eviscerate - Is more of a combo point dump, you will really only use this if Recup and SnD is already up and you dont need to kidney to peel/cc someone.

Pretty much the only difference from other rogue guides u ever u gona read online. Adding some gameplay advices would be too difficult? Stuff like glyphts and tallents half brained person can figure out. Why not put in an advice which cds should people track in arenas? Which partners are best for us? How to play to maximum efficiency? Useless guide.

[RatedEdge]

it's for beginners :P

[erbwba21]

I had forgotten how silly the talent tree`s were reduced to. So if you are going backstab spec, why would you want to grab Hemo? Also you stated that in pvp you never want to use rupture, is there a reason why, specifically against plate or any other reason?

[woohoos]

So if you are going backstab spec, why would you want to grab Hemo?

to have a dps spell when u cant get behind target and put bleed from glypht. (tallent gives +16% damage when u have bleed on target)

Also you stated that in pvp you never want to use rupture, is there a reason why, specifically against plate or any other reason?

unless youre against blood dk u wont probably need it, well sometimes when kiting it can be useful as additional source of damage, but there are better choices anyway.

[erbwba21]

to have a dps spell when u cant get behind target and put bleed from glypht. (tallent gives +16% damage when u have bleed on target)

unless youre against blood dk u wont probably need it, well sometimes when kiting it can be useful as additional source of damage, but there are better choices anyway.

So I have a hard time seeing how that is viable. In any fight, there should be no time in which getting behind your opponent will be difficult, except vs a mage and even then when you dual a mage its a game of chess, so if you having problems positioning for a backstab, then you shouldnt be playing backstab you should be playing hemo spec.

oh and how do you kite a dk?

[woohoos]

So I have a hard time seeing how that is viable. In any fight, there should be no time in which getting behind your opponent will be difficult, except vs a mage and even then when you dual a mage its a game of chess, so if you having problems positioning for a backstab, then you shouldnt be playing backstab you should be playing hemo spec.

Some other skilled rogues might give u problems getting behind and putting energy into hemo is better than getting energy capped, but i am mostly thinking about people who tend to hug walls.
Im not gona go into much detail about dks, there are plenty of videos about that, but mostly just make em waste runes on slows if they grip u gouge, dont go close if u cant stun them and/or have defensive cds, make sure u get restealth with cloak etc and look up find weakness tallent its your friend against them.