Pandaria Hunters needs nerf

[Jukas112]

Ok lets make vote and we will see what majority thinks


https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/758LBTN

[shrouds]

It's easy af to counter a mage, stay away, roar to removes freezes, disengage to remove freeze, wrath to break out deeps...in my own opinion you should try fire. I will leave you this here http://postimg.org/image/n9pnf7fyz/
Plus, ring and deep freeze is enough to take more than half hp from a enemie.

[Blizzard17]

LoL Prove make 803k in arena and somone will speak with u. U wana test me in 1v1 dude? Btw last season I had 2.3k rating only by boosting friends in 2v2 for cap so u don't tel me that I don't know how to play come test me and don't even speak if u don't know me.

well im not doing 1v1 and since i was r1 hunt in season 1 i have beaten u probably already multiple times when i farmed some noobs from 2k to 2,5k. I never do screens and there is no need to proof it bc its nothing special. well whatever hf with your QQ thread maybe someone will give you the attention u need

[Blizzard17]

It's easy af to counter a mage, stay away, roar to removes freezes, disengage to remove freeze, wrath to break out deeps...in my own opinion you should try fire. I will leave you this here http://postimg.org/image/n9pnf7fyz/
Plus, ring and deep freeze is enough to take more than half hp from a enemie.

funny thing is that a mage won last 1v1 tournament and no hunter had a chance against him

[Hephisto]

Exactly its impossible to hit over 100k with icelance I have 531ilvl with pridefull wepons and both pvp dps trinkets and even with that and + flask food everything up its mostly 73k on frozen targets.

Maybe you should try Arcane Mage then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhdBTJJAKmg

[Blizzard17]

ToP 98 of 2v2 Ladder Warlame atm:
18 Warriors
16 Monks
12 Druids
11 Hunters
9 Shamans
8 Palas
8 Priests
7Mages
5 Locks
3 Rouges
1 DK

[Callisto93]

Listen son. It's not about "I can't kill hunter" I told this several times, but its seems your eyes are to narrow read that. Have you read all the the forum? There are people who agree and people who doesn't, so don't speak as it is only my problem. And even hunter players telling that their class is bit overpowered compared to other classes. + I have given many reasons. And u haven't gave me even one why they aren't. So stop blaming me like I don't understand a thing and prove something by yourself.

I'm not your son,I'm not even a guy but that's irrelevant. I don't need to prove anything cause the basic logical rule is that the burden of proof is on the person claiming the positive,thus you should prove that hunters are OP, not the other way around. And yes, it is about "I can't kill hunter" cause if you could you would not even be here. I think ww monks heal too much but I can kill them so I'm not gonna cry about them. I think wars hit too hard but most of them can't do much more other than BS so again,not gonna cry about entire class. And rogues...
And how come you're not commenting on my ss? On 200k ice lance that guy pulled? Nothing to say I guess... Why are you not talking to some good mages and asking for advice and guidelines instead of ridiculing yourself on a hunter forum? I honestly don't see the point of this, I guess it's just fun to see how far you're willing to go until a GM closes the topic.

Blizzard ^ Don't count Sheyla, he abused.

[Jukas112]

I'm not complaining about mage dmg.... WTF. I beat asses with my frost spec and I don't want other spec. http://imgur.com/v3Ig0lY
It's just about HUNTERS ARE BIT UNBALANCED.
Every class has it own broken side like I heal unnormaly as retribution paladin, I often make more healing then healers in arena with it. But thing is that Hunters have most broken sh*t.

[icepurger]

I'm not complaining about mage dmg.... WTF. I beat asses with my frost spec and I don't want other spec. http://imgur.com/v3Ig0lY
It's just about HUNTERS ARE BIT UNBALANCED.
Every class has it own broken side like I heal unnormaly as retribution paladin, I often make more healing then healers in arena with it. But thing is that Hunters have most broken sh*t.

But you don't know what that shlt is right?
-First it was base dmg according to a screenshot but we saw some other screenshots and videos as well so it's not that.
-Then it's pet dealing dmg in deterrence which again, hunters showed that is significantly lower than without deterrence.
-Then it was crit, but apparently mages can crit pretty high as well and 110k crit for a prideful weapon is really not that much. I'm not gonna count those crits with every buff possible, that's not representative.
-You complained about pets not being cced,but they can be,only those spirit porcupines cannot but that is added in the bugtracker,feel free to upvote it. Then you said something about devilsaurs but the reason hunters use them is cause of its buff,not cause it's broken or anything. And cause of its appearance.
-What else did you add, too many ccs? I don't think we can count that as being broken, unless your idea is to delete hunter spells. So what's left? Just what we started with, a "feeling".

[Kite009]

I'm not complaining about mage dmg.... WTF. I beat asses with my frost spec and I don't want other spec. http://imgur.com/v3Ig0lY
It's just about HUNTERS ARE BIT UNBALANCED.
Every class has it own broken side like I heal unnormaly as retribution paladin, I often make more healing then healers in arena with it. But thing is that Hunters have most broken sh*t.

See, all you do is say that hunters need nerf. Find which hunter abilities exactly need nerf, get their damage formulae, test it out. Explain how and why exactly it is bugged, preferably in bugtracker but if not, then here. Short of that, you can't expect anybody to take you seriously even if hunters didn't counter mages.

I'm sure that, like me, many here who love hunter class would like it to be as it was in retail, without any negative or positive bugs. And we're willing to make reports (and we do) on bugs as long as you can prove it. The burden of proof is on those who claim the bug's existence, simply because anybody can claim anything.

[Jukas112]

See, all you do is say that hunters need nerf. Find which hunter abilities exactly need nerf, get their damage formulae, test it out. Explain how and why exactly it is bugged, preferably in bugtracker but if not, then here. Short of that, you can't expect anybody to take you seriously even if hunters didn't counter mages.

I'm sure that, like me, many here who love hunter class would like it to be as it was in retail, without any negative or positive bugs. And we're willing to make reports (and we do) on bugs as long as you can prove it. The burden of proof is on those who claim the bug's existence, simply because anybody can claim anything.

I' repeating myself their general dps should be lower.
http://imgur.com/34h4t61

[Jukas112]

But you don't know what that shlt is right?
-First it was base dmg according to a screenshot but we saw some other screenshots and videos as well so it's not that.
-Then it's pet dealing dmg in deterrence which again, hunters showed that is significantly lower than without deterrence.
-Then it was crit, but apparently mages can crit pretty high as well and 110k crit for a prideful weapon is really not that much. I'm not gonna count those crits with every buff possible, that's not representative.
-You complained about pets not being cced,but they can be,only those spirit porcupines cannot but that is added in the bugtracker,feel free to upvote it. Then you said something about devilsaurs but the reason hunters use them is cause of its buff,not cause it's broken or anything. And cause of its appearance.
-What else did you add, too many ccs? I don't think we can count that as being broken, unless your idea is to delete hunter spells. So what's left? Just what we started with, a "feeling".

http://imgur.com/34h4t61
claw dealt 90k at start and u still think that its feel that hunters still do a lot of dmg wile deterrence?

[Kite009]

I' repeating myself their general dps should be lower.
http://imgur.com/34h4t61

The screenshot is obviously from ToK BG where orbs + berserker buff can make it possible to one shot any class in any defense (except immunity) by any other class. The screenshot showing only combat log would still be severely inadequate even if this was taken in any other BG, arena or open world; not that SS alone is the ultimate proof either.

"<Hunter's> general dps should be lower" - based on what're you claiming this? Even if this was the case, how would you go about fixing hunter? Reduce agility-based damage? Or crit chance? Or just "something else" ? Clearly, all of them together must constitute the "general" dps.
Again, your statement lack any technical details or solid proof and therefore you show zero credibility. Neither you or me or anybody here can make any required changes without those.

[Jukas112]

The screenshot is obviously from ToK BG where orbs + berserker buff can make it possible to one shot any class in any defense (except immunity) by any other class. The screenshot showing only combat log would still be severely inadequate even if this was taken in any other BG, arena or open world; not that SS alone is the ultimate proof either.

"<Hunter's> general dps should be lower" - based on what're you claiming this? Even if this was the case, how would you go about fixing hunter? Reduce agility-based damage? Or crit chance? Or just "something else" ? Clearly, all of them together must constitute the "general" dps.
Again, your statement lack any technical details or solid proof and therefore you show zero credibility. Neither you or me or anybody here can make any required changes without those.

here u go originall.
http://imgur.com/a/pGwRj
And I'm to tired to proof the facts for ppl who lie about the hits they get and don't belive in anything sad and ppl who can't read everything what is sad, and finnaly for ppl who read this topic as a dramatic cries.

[icepurger]

here u go originall.
http://imgur.com/a/pGwRj
And I'm to tired to proof the facts for ppl who lie about the hits they get and don't belive in anything sad and ppl who can't read everything what is sad, and finnaly for ppl who read this topic as a dramatic cries.

You have shown NOTHING here, we cannot see the hunter,his ilvl,his buffs,his trinket procs,his deterrence you claim he had, nothing but 75k crit which again,is not that high. And we are all tired of you, a silly mage who cannot provide any proof of anything he says. This isn't about belief, you don't change a class cause of beliefs, you change it cause of evidence which you did not and cannot provide. And because everything you say lacks credibility, there is no other way of looking at this but as a dramatic cry of a mage about his anti-class.