Yeah, I get it. Just be careful you will need above (way above) 5k gearscore to be, lets say, accepted on endgame raids even though some people might not be happy with it, and even in rhc's around I guess, so I suppose that new comers will have some difficult times
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Icecrown is a nice server. However, the things I read here "the majority are legit, the full donators are very rare" in my case is..very untrue.
I hit 80 a week ago, been gearing with heroics and 90% of the players that are BiS are donators who play VERY bad. It has gotten to a point where when I see a legit BiS player I feel "relief".
The overgeared characters make raids much, much easier so that's a pro or a con for some people. The only thing that would be hard here is getting started in PvP since most of the players have at least wrathful 4/5 and off parts.
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Um.. trying to play this crap beacause cata is dead. MoP's dead as well.
The only option is to play legion witch is garbage , or wotlk here. Never touched wotlk. Its kinda ****ty, the fact that a duel doesnt even last 10 seconds...
Have a rogue with 0 resil and full BiS pve, craping on a clothie in 2 globals. wow, so balanced.
Fast paced pvp, is what most ppl love it seems. Counter strike 1.6 all over again, in a wow expansion
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kek pandakids do not like wotlk cause you have to react fast compare to slowbrain pandaria pvp
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If you say so. MoP is far more nuke & CC-spam oriented than wotlk is.
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He did not ask a question to be asked a new question. But I can answer you:)
The reason why I like Lordaeron better then Icecrown is because there is always something to work for. No I am not a hardcore gamer, and I am lucky if I play 1-3 hours a day. Some days I don't play at all, some days I can play a few hours if I want, but normally its around 1-2 hours if I play.
It does not take years to reach level 80. The game is old and most people already know what to do on each quest, something that makes it a lot easier to level up. Raiding is not really as hard as people want it to be. Yes I struggle on raiding, but I don't rush for the most hardcore content at its release.
I have barely touched Ulduar and still have a lot of fun doing pve by doing VOA, OS and NAXX - those instances have been nerfed a lot, and for a game that is this old - it should not really be that hard with a little bit of brain (I am not a person that has played wow all years since its release).
And with call of arms and the wintergrasp quests you can get pvp gear easy.
So again, I would like you to answer his question. Are people just playing for the game play - or do people work for some gear on icecrown?
I am not trying to hate against icecrown or anything, but I really wonder - you can get level 80 so far, and gear.
And I agree that people choose their own way to play. Just wanted to say that you don't need to give your life away to play on Lordaeron.
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That reason goes for both servers, you know, you will always have something to do, either it's to improve your character, main or alt, leveling, farming stuff as herbs, mines or skins, gearing up in bgs / arenas or dungeons, or, simply go chill around and have some fun in BGs, world PvP ganking, do one or two rhc, etc. Sure I can also say that your "work for" finishes up pretty much faster on Icecrown, but still, my point stands, as there is always something you can do beside AFKing inside tonws or chatting
If you had said that you prefered Lordearon because of the x1 rates, or because of the hardcore game style, or because you're not fine with the high endgame gear wrathful + Icc, or because you want to experience the content progression in raiding, that would have been a real valid reason in my opinion. No offense
Also, I don't know if what I'm going to say is true or false, but, for someone who plays, generally speaking, 1-2h per day in Lordearon, you will barely have your char decently geared, I mean, very few bop epics at its most, more boe epics from AH and some blues...? Unless, of course, you plan to stay on the server for long long and long time or just buy gear with honor points. But hey, if you are fine with that, you will definately have my "cheer up". It's just a small thought I have, no biggie
Lets say both, unless you waste money to buy bis gear in every slot like some people did and just go have fun around, but hey, that's how the server is. But anyway, I had not exactly the intention to say people need to give their own lives to play on Lordearon. My goal was to make a similar question as his with opposite server PoV to show that people play where they want and how unnecessary is to create threads bashing a server, especially when we are talking about the most populated one nowadaysSo again, I would like you to answer his question. Are people just playing for the game play - or do people work for some gear on icecrown?
Just wanted to say that you don't need to give your life away to play on Lordaeron.
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Im curious how do you know about Legion, since it's still in beta.
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People like to bash whatever they can. That's how it works since forever. It will always be like that.
Now replying to the author of this thread;
Personally, I don't see any more reasons to play in Icecrown. I was hyped with the merge and with the word that the new core would fix all the end game scenario including all the other respective bugs included in the "package". After seeing what was delivered and I made my rants and I made my solid points. Same points that, personally, I truly believe that were brushed off under the carpet. Generating dust. Maybe as they should.
Since I've been playing this content for years that doesn't help me at all. Got myself burned out. Got exhausted of dealing with bugs every single day and since I don't consider myself a gambler I don't like the idea of playing a daily Roulette every single time I decided to step in Icecrown Citadel. The end game scenario (Heroic runs), as it is, is worthless of even trying. I was promissed with a PTR server from the Community Manager himself and I was also promissed that I would be approached in the next days - That was nearly two months ago. I'm still waiting for that same message. (You know who you are and quoting yourself: " I perfectly know who you are. ")
There are upsides for it though: You have a large community and multiple guilds to choose from. You can still do some old school raids and gear yourself properly. You can still fight your way through the daily roulette of Icecrown Citadel and see by yourself what state of things you'll face on a daily basis. Some people have fun embracing new challenges like that. Call me an old men or an old-fashioned prick but I'm used to do things when they work properly. In the same way that I must follow my responsabilities in real life I was expecting to see the same delivery from the other side. One suggestion that I can provide you and quoting Proterean himself;
Now you can sit and wait for that for some few more months or expect a proper fix to come out. However, since I've already lost my hopes, I've stepped down of the realm and respective server. Went back to Retail and it's weird to see things working at 100%. Keep in mind though, like I stated, besides this downfalls that I pointed out you have multiple benefits. It just goes through your own will of going through it or not. I believe that no one in this thread has the authority of telling you if it's worth or not. Attempt it, try to have fun. In case you're not having fun, leave it. Your frustration doesn't pay off at the end of the day - Specially 'cause you're not paid to do this.As stated on Warmane's official stream;
Once Icecrown Citadel hits Lordaeron state it will be working 100% as intendedEdited: July 4, 2016
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I lol'd. Heard that '100%' working promise before. I've stopped playing on Icecrown as well cause I got tired of being lied to all the time by the over promising and under delivering work ethic shown by our community manager, QA, and dev teams. This content is almost 7 years old now, I've done it all and seen it all so I don't feel like I'm missing out on much anymore.As stated on Warmane's official stream;
Once Icecrown Citadel hits Lordaeron state it will be working 100% as intended
When you have a lead dev who prioritizes optimizing and rewriting the RDF and 5 man dungeon system (when nothing was wrong with them before just after the core migration) I can't help but question the logic behind it. Meanwhile, there seems to be no sense of concern or care that the current state of raiding is a joke and unfair to those who don't have the luxury of being in a full BiS raid with a shaman.
Enter Ulduar scripting and testing and suddenly VH is broken and ICC scripts degrade to a state worse than before the new core (PTR was taken offline at this point since it wasn't seen as needed). The community manager claims that Icecrown is not a testing server then a few days later the head dev makes a post about new fixes being deployed soon for live testing (this thread was later deleted).The way things are prioritized by the development team lead leaves a lot to be desired for anyone seeking quality from the server on which they play. This is the most popular and populated WoTLK private server available and yet this is what they have to show for the compensation they receive.
Sorry to say but, free project or not, the fact people are paid to work on this well enough to live off of creates a certain level of expected quality (software engineering best practices for example) and professionalism. From what I've seen there is no sense of revision control (or if there is, it's not working properly if it's causing old **** to break again). The concept of dumping the changelog from the SCM system is another thing that's hard to overlook. I've still yet to receive feedback in regards to how they handle things like testing, patching, revision control, and change log dumps (and I expect those questions will continue to go unanswered).
Forgive me for calling BS, but I disagree with change logs taking days or weeks to produce, if the devs are logging their changes properly then it shouldn't even take 5 minutes. As is still apparent, another release of fixes went out with no change log and I heard an interesting story about the current state of gunship. My advice, do away with the QA team and start having devs test their own code. QA is worthless because even when they do report confirmation of problems to the devs they still do whatever they want in terms of implemented fixes (checkout Marrowgar on the bugtracker).
TL:DR nothing has changed in the way things are handled. Despite well constructed complaints that turned rant, the staff continues to do whatever the hell they please with little regard for how it impacts the community. The only team I omit from this are the forum moderators who seem to be the only team that does any actual work.
If you enjoy free WoW and the challenge of discovering new ways to overcome broken encounters, then Warmane is definitely the place to be.Edited: July 4, 2016
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It is for people like me who don't have all that time to level and raid as we have kids and family but still want to enjoy pvp and wow
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I play on it because I don't have much time to play on the other server. I hardly have time to even play on Icecrown. It's not as fun as playing on the other server, but I take what I can get!
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Hi, i have played on Lordaeron for many months before shifting to icecrown recently. ill tell why i like icecrown more (My perspective)
I don't get much time to play, icecrown being a high rated server makes my life easy.
Icecrown has got completed northrend raids and dungeons which is still not available in Lordaeron(POS,FOS,HOR,TOC,ICC)
Icecrown has RDF which is so much better then LFG spamming in global for each & every dungeon in Lordaeron.
Raid bosses are not overbuffed in icecrown.
Points shop in icecrown.
Thing is , this is my first playing WOW, i totally loved the x1 leveling experience/PVE in lordaeron exploring maps,quest chains,lore,reputations, but i didnt have that much time or patience to do that again for another character, so i shifted to icecrown where i can enjoy end game content without hard grinding & spending hours farming.
This is why I play icecrown.
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I agree with the majority of the post and, honestly, this made me laugh out loud. Over the years, instead of doing encounters retail-wise, guilds and just players in general have always been focused to find the best ways of working around bugs. Just some bugs off the top of my head that existed or still exist: DKs pulling spikes on Marrow, LDW trash generally not doing anything, passing the trash before Gunship, mages not freezing cannons on Gunship, adds not doing anything on DBS and basically serving as fodder, Rotface always spitting in the direction of the tank, PP red ooze HoPing and green ooze not working at all, BPC orbs falling into walls or "Absord"-bugging and falling to the ground no matter what, also the fire orb is glitchy, portals on VDW sometimes acting like they don't exist, vile spirits on LK moving with normal speed, val'kyrs picking up non-combat pets, then being CCable, then started bugging after hard CC, LK being subject to JoJ...
I haven't raided ICC in weeks, these are just the main things that came to my mind that have been or still are present in ICC. And we're talking about a 7-year-old expansion on a just as old server. Are you focusing on end-game content? Because I can't see that. RDF? I can't see that either. The current state of RDF is one of the main reasons I stopped playing, having become more casual myself. If the RDF doesn't work, then I have nothing to do when I log in, really. I don't have time for raids anymore, I don't do PvP or achievements on private servers. And it's not like you're focusing on these things either. Me and my brother reported an exploit in BWL years ago, which allowed players to farm Nefarian non-stop, you closed the raid, making BWL and Classic Raider achievements and the Black Qiraji Battle Tank unobtainable, and you haven't done A THING since then for BWL for all these years. So what are you actually focusing on? It's not end-game, it's not RDF or dungeons, it's not achievements - what is it? The two main positive changes that I've seen on WotLK for the last year have been the introduction of WG (which, honestly, nobody is excited about anymore - me, I just do fishing & wait for the fight to be over so I can continue farming materials in the zone) and the new core, which brought just as many problems as it did fixes.
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The sad reality is that people still feed themselves with the theory that everything is working as intended. Living in a daily delusion where the end-game content works as it should; Only believing in one side of the story has the long history of taking you to wrong paths and wrong decisions. That's what's happening here. I can and I could be even more extense in my post but I also have a common sense and a moral standard that tells me that I should be superior to certain and specific situations.
I'll just like to remind this and I will ALWAYS question this same points;
- The Old core was the so called "live content" and the word of the "New Core" being an absolute fix was used. It went wrong.
- The "New Core" destroyed multiple things that were, at least, doable. The "Merge" would be the start of a new page and it would be the start of the proper fixing of things. It went wrong.
- Things are reported and questioned to the people in command. People that are actually responsible for this efforts of making everything go right. Things go even worst and Bugtracker reports are demanded when a simple browse through this forums would give a general idea of what's going on.
My final question is: Have we all lost control?
Like I stated in my original post;
I'll rephrase it; My frustration doesn't pay off at the end of the day; Neither I have the patience to deal with others people concerns and egos. I already have kids of my own blood to take care off and that's enough for me.Your frustration doesn't pay off at the end of the day - Specially 'cause you're not paid to do this.Edited: July 8, 2016
