WotLK Assassination or Combat? PvE

[speifer10]

Hi guys,

I have a question that I need answered. I was hoping to get a Weapon + Trinket from the Coin store and, well... there seems to be a conflict on interests regarding my specs.

I want to go for both PvP and PvE on my Rogue, and for PvP, I'll be speccing into Assassination.

Now here's my problem. I don't know what spec to go for PvE because I also want my weapon to be beneficial for both specs when I get my weapon from the store. The trinket is a problem as well as both specs have different BiS trinkets.

I'm also concerned about the end-game raiding spec for Rogue. I know that Combat is the way to go for it, but I was wondering if speccing into Assassination is also viable later into the raids? (Both 10 and 25 M)

Thank you for taking the time to read this, I hope you guys can help me decide. Cheers!

tl;dr: Getting a weapon+trinket from the Coin Store. Don't know what to get because dunno if Combat or Assassination for PvE, but going into Assassination for PvP. Want to get items that would both be beneficial for both specs as they have different BiS for each spec.

[eatdappl]

I've been doing Assassination (Mutilate) PvE and most of the time i'm top dpsing everything, just need to keep your buffs up 24/7 and time your rotations perfectly, not hard at all since energy management is pretty easy. Can't tell you much about Combat since i only used it to level up and when i tried it on Dungeons/Raids i found it lackluster, could be me tho.

[Fluffybully]

Assassination is preferred before you go into combat as you need some quite decent gear for it. I'd get Heaven's Fall, Kryss of a Thousand Lie and Sharpened Twilight Scale. Those 2 items're good for both PvP and PvE. But don't expect too much DPS in PvE with Assa spec as Envenom buff is broken :c.

[robycucu]

could you look into http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=14117 aswell? it doesn t seem to work for me.
i got a proc chance of 30-35% with the talent+envenom buff on dummy.
http://imgur.com/a/SKFYF

[Fluffybully]

could you look into http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=14117 aswell? it doesn t seem to work for me.
i got a proc chance of 30-35% with the talent+envenom buff on dummy.
http://imgur.com/a/SKFYF

http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=14117 works. Envenom buff should make it assuming u got a 1.8 dagger MH 38%(IP)+ ~29%(Envenom Buff)= ~67% chance to apply Instant poison on MH.
OH Instant posion should be 30% flat + 20%(IP)+15%(Envenom) = 65% once your target has 5 stacks of Deadly ofc.
The prob is you get more instant poison procs on combat spec than you do on assassination xD....

There might be more buggy talents on assa spec. But for now am 100% sure envenom buff is broke.

[robycucu]

i was talking about deadly poison not instant poison.

[Fluffybully]

i was talking about deadly poison not instant poison.

It's the same. Improved Poisons works for both Deadly and Instant

[robycucu]

my issue is that numbers don t add up on recount. you ll get the same deadly poison procs with and without the talent.

[Fluffybully]

my issue is that numbers don t add up on recount. you ll get the same deadly poison procs with and without the talent.

You fail to understand how poisons work ...

Let's have teh case of having 5/5 Improved Poisons:

Your Deadly Poison has 50% chance to be Applied or REFRESHED on the target. When it gets refreshed it won't DEAL damage/tick only the duration goes back to 12 sec the same as, if you'd reapply Rupture. So the Deadly Poison ticks're always goin to be the same. It'll continue doing damage every 2 sec nothing more nothing less.

[robycucu]

alrighty then! thanks for the insight

[speifer10]

Hi guys, thank you so much for your input.

I ended up with going Assassination for PvE, and going Sub for PvP. I got a Heaven's Fall and a Lungbreaker as well as an STS to go with the weapons.

I appreciate all your responses as they have truly helped me. Especially the guides. Gotta love them guides man. Hehe.

Cheers!