Yes, obviously I'm sitting in here 24/7, definately I got nothing else to do and the money I earn to eat/dress/pay things/etc are coming from the trees. You keep saying I have no knowledge about realms being able to survive or not, well then enlighten me if you dare. Again don't assume noone likes p2w (funny because you ordered me to stop assuming things meanwhile all your posts are covered with assumptions from your own). YT channels won't mean nothing to me (same as population to you) because those commenting there are just a very small part of WoW players. If you're so convinced about general feedback on p2w stuff, fine, keep it up, but that won't work on me, sorry. Hard to understand what I say? Sorry, not my fault. So what if it's a merged server? I'm gonna copy your attitude here so that fact doesn't mean anything for me, all I know is we have 12k and a very active PvP and PvE and a very well constituted server, at least for my tastes. Ofc some people prefer higher rates, that's why we usually have a slow and a high rate realm so players can opt for some of those, I said this on almost every thread regarding Lordaeron vs icecrown. No, I never tried to make "f2p" player look like crap (and much less saying they should leave). I said, and read it again, it's awesome to have all type of players, I said the more population, there BETTER it is. And then I said that they contribute nothing, meaning MONEYWISE, while donators do. You just interpreted me wrong. No, I'm not lying, realm delay started at 5.5K max, at least when I was playing there (started on its beginning, managed to level up few chars till 40/50ish, managed to get a rogue to rank 10, playing 2-3 hours a day), then I left and continued my WoW journey here, probably the performance were better after that and it could go 7-8K without delay, but when I started there, it started with its heavy delay at 5.5K, God's honest. No idea what I'm talking about with the 7k pop? Simple, you accused me saying that Lordaeron peaking 7k is a bad thing while I said it isn't (read my first post on this thread again, that's my proff). Not my problem either the fact you don't believe me about my "furious gear" story. Obv if same skill, the one who have more gear should win, but when I see opponents with better gear than mine, I simply try to overcome it with skill, and it worked, several times. You do the same, have you bothered trying at least? Watch videos and read guides in case you want to improve in PvP.
I get real, and you dig this, the only way to this to be over is if some moderator will lock this thread. Have a nice weekend.
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Edited: November 12, 2016
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1.You get what i meant with the 24/7.
2.I don't need to enlighten anyone, it can be seen by all that plenty of realms exist without donors, go ask them how if you want. Saying "they can't! omgggg" is just a fallacy.
3.It's not an assumption, i even mentioned the exceptions. Otherwise it would have been.
4.A small part of wow players...riiight.
5.Almost noone likes p2w. Why are you even going on about it?
6.If i can't make sense of your weird sentences, who's fault is it? /shrug
7.What if lol? Well obviously that it has the pops of TWO servers in it... how hard is that to understand? Ofc it's gonna be big, cos both of those realms had pretty solid pops and when u combine them, u get an even bigger pop... why do i even have to explain this? It's like let's say lord has 5k and realm A has 5k and realm B has 5 k and then realms A and B join = C has 10k...and then u come along and mock lordaeron cos it has less pop...well DUUUUUH.
8. The only place where i said that "it doesn't matter to me" was when you mentioned some mysterious "others" who's opinions we should wait for and i said that won't change ****. You copying my "attitude" in 10 different things now, just to avoid facts is funny...
9.Nah you didn't say it's awesome or anything, you literally said that f2p players (which are the majority) are filler rofl... how much more disrespect can you give them?
10.You ARE lying though because i say from personal experience that it started at around 8-9k.
11.Yeah i'm not into anecdotal evidence. As i said i beat 7k gs ppl while naked with a gray weapon 24/7 mate..........
12.Yes obviously i have beaten ppl with better gear, so what? In the majority of cases in IC you will get stomped because the player with the bis ain't a total noob. Stepping into arena and coming up against ppl that severly outgear you almost every match is not fun, it's frustrating and noone who has a brain will bother with it... hence fuk IC's pvp. It can't be taken srsly. I don't need improvement in pvp i already said that i stomp 7k gs ppl with a gray weapon while being naked.
13.Get your fake "have a nice weekend" outta here.
14.Get real.
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I haven't said they can't survive without donations, I just stated it will be harder and that's it. I really hope it's clear now after several posts. Keep saying noone likes p2w, it's your opinion, fine, lets move on. I know and I understand Icecrown are two servers combined since from its merge, I just decided not to give such importance, okay? Saying Lord has less population at these days is not mocking, it's stating a fact. 6-7k population is still great imo, 5k even. I said in fact non donors are filling spots, however the more the better it is, but they don't contribute moneywise while donors do. So I don't think that's disrespect, unless I'm calling them as trolls, scrubs and clowns too. I guess we played on a different realm then, 5k 6k or 8k doesn't matter anyway, they should have implemented a cap aswell to avoid that server delay to keep the server playable just like Warmane does. Good to know that you have beaten players with better gear, it means that you have nothing to worry about. Can you end that whinning about "lolmournes" then? Thank you.
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1.You did hint at it strongly.
2.Noone likes p2w. Get real.
3.Ofcourse you didn't decide to "give it such importance", let's just wipe that fact under the rug cos all hail IC...
4.Filling spots...no they are normal players as it should be. Donors are just a small extra, nothing special.
5.That trolls/clowns/scrubs...lol
6.Ah 5 or 9 k doesn't matter now ey?
7.Yes they should have implemented a cap, but that has nothing to do with IC donors.
8.Nothing to worry about? First of all, just cos i can beat someone in better gear sometimes, doesn't mean that i enjoy playing in arena, where as soon as you hit 1700 or smth, all you come up against is ppl that have a big advantage. Second of all, i don't play on IC... for that very reason.
9.Lolmournes easymode faceroll p2w... :D
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^ lordaeron kiddo should have googled the real meaning of p2w and use term correctly
but obviously he cant' cause wastes all his free time traveling to the random 10 years old instances - sick "no rdf" custom feature has sideeffectsEdited: November 14, 2016
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No it doesn't matter 5k or 9k, not only there's no point arguing about when realm started having its delay since we both say different things, but also usually the most important thing is to keep the server stable, meaning implementing a server cap to keep a better quality, as you said quality > quantity. Nothing to do with donors? Well, perhaps if IC or Rag/DW had not donations we would be stuck in, idk, 5-6k caps maybe? Who knows? Some admin/mod can answer this.
About arena, you will face any type of team no matter at what rating you are. I've been there. Sure, you will eventually have better chances to meet harder teams once you'll get higher, but in the end in remains randomish. The issue is when you meet a team with better gear and setup than yours who have very low rating, you may lose lots of rating, but it's a scenario which happens in every server anyway, the difference is, in IC, the match can end quickly while on Lord it may take longer. Since you don't play in Icecrown, try to figure out how 90% of "lolmournes" play. TIP - sssssssssssssssssssss
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@2. Lots of people complain about "p2w", but the big donors on Icecrown are footing the bill for Lordaeron's server costs, paying for the continued support from staff members and development for the realm as a whole. So, before you go and bash on these players, I would suggest that you think a little more before you say anything. Especially when there is isn't a single stat item that is available in the marketplace that they cannot get in the game. Yes, that includes Shadowmourne and Valanyr. Which brings me to your 9th point.
@9. The Shadowmourne quest chain is scripted and live on Icecrown. People are already working very hard on completing these quest chains. Are you ready for it? Because that quest chain will be available on Lordaeron too, when Icecrown Citadel goes live.
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A lordaeron kiddo? Prostyle edgy ad hominem. Also define a "kiddo"? About 80 % of the player's i've met/talked to there are above 18 or 21 however you want to put it. With your cat avatar and name, i think you're the "kiddo". We all know that a person donating to get best gear to "rek nubs" is p2w. We don't need to get technical here and argue over semantics.
I didn't know i travel to instances? I'ma pvper... maybe you should assume less "kiddo". Also traveling there takes a few minutes and everyone used to do it b4 rdf was released, so what's the problem? Also 10 years old? Try 7-8... and where do you travel to? You think you're better cos u play in a cata realm where the dungeons are 2 years "younger"? Rofl... typical clown that has no argument, makes assumptions and speaks lies.Edited: November 15, 2016
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1.The fact that an item is available ingame does not compare to someone that gets it for dough, with 0 effort.
2.I guess i should donate 10 bucks so i can hold myself as special.
3.I ain't bashing anyone, why don't you have anything to say when free players (majority) are called filler? Is that what the staff thinks of ppl? Is this realm all about trying to get money from donors? The majority of ppl are f2p and that's how it's meant, they can also vote + word of mouth to increase the rep of the realm and where there's people, more will come... so disrespecting f2p sounds ludicrous to me. Ofcourse donors' money is going to the realm, but that's not the point here. I don't even care about IC, i'm defending Lord from ppl that say "IC owns lord, lord is for f2p fillers and roleplayers". Also donors care about their "godgear", not the realm (mostly).
4.No i'm not ready for it, because i don't play a class that can wield a 2 handed weapon.Edited: November 15, 2016
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1.Yes it does matter. You said (lied) that the serverside delay started at 5k, i KNOW from personal experience that it started at 8-9k.
2.They were about to release the new clustering system which would have solved it. Wonder why you never acknowledge this fact...
3.The tech has gotten better these days and Wotlk is not Classic. The software is different and wotlk realms were meant to have more ppl than classic in retail too, so it's not such a big deal.
4.Nah i played there during molten with a friend. We started one day, played some matches in a row until we were about 1750 or smth and all we met was full bis dual donors, OR full bis donors with some other guy getting carried. Not an entertaining or interesting place to pvp at. Couldn't be bothered with more and went back to another realm.
5.The 90% is a clear over-exaggeration, but i'm not interested in having a permanent disatvantage to these ppl, so i don't choose to play on IC.
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You say this, then you go on to say that you aren't bashing anyone. Are you being serious right now? You really need to reconsider your approach. As for zero effort? I'm sure every single one of these people get the money they have just because, no reason, no effort behind that. As for donating 10 bucks so you can consider yourself special? No, that's considered bottom-of-the-barrel, and the staff doesn't much appreciate it either.
You better get to work on getting prepared for it then.
Discrimination of any kind is forbidden. It is literally the #1 rule in the list of forum rules. Which I'm guessing you haven't read it, considering you're not just disrespecting people who pay the server's bills because of your envy, but you're also disrespecting the staff by making baseless accusations and assumptions. We value everyone. That includes people who do not donate. They are also protected by the rules, as I pointed out. But donors are also protected, and attacking them as you have is in direct violation of those rules. Just because they donate to the server does not make it OK for you to be a jerk to them. Perhaps after the vacation time I'm giving you, you'll have a little more respect for your fellows than you currently do, and appreciate more what goes on around you.
If you do have a problem with someone being disrespectful towards a non-donor, then please, let a moderator know about it and we'll handle it. Here's a short-cut to all of our profiles for quick access: http://forum.warmane.com/group.php?groupid=105
@Drkwispurr, I know you're just trying to make a point in your argument with saying that non-donors contribute none. But I want to make it clear that they do contribute via population (population is VERY important to a lot of people), spreading the word of mouth, etc. like Marcus here has mentioned. So I think it's appropriate to say that you should be more careful how you words things. Again - I know it was not your intent, but taking that approach upsets people. So consider this a public scolding and warning. Don't do that. Thank you.
