yeh like i said in my last poste ^
they would have to delete the whole game on every fix that should have been made cause it was in contact with tomany bug, they have no single valid point , they just ego people that want to take things from people so they can get more attention, most trash kinda people want that
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See you don't play MoP, and based on the above comment, it shows you never did play it on retail either. This is my whole point. What you are saying here is simply untrue. Challenge Modes do not get easier and time goes on, so not everyone will be able to get it. This realm could be alive for 10 years, and you will still have players that simply will not put the effort required to get the gear, if CM worked as they should. Right now those people have gotten the rewards without any effort.
Warmane already removes rewards due to broken classes. Those rewards being arena titles which are temporary and only for one season because of this fact. Warmane has also removed gear in the past from players that abused bugs to get that gear. This suggestion is mainly par for course for Warmane.
Also, I'm fairly certain most players here didn't level their characters, and used the free level 90 boosts we all got from moltdown. Not to mention current bugs make levelling harder than it should be, so that doesn't even make sense. Not to mention bugs make most raids harder as well, so I see no reason to remove PvE gear from players.
If you have any specific bugs that have resulted in people getting rewards, please do feel free to share them, and I'll post for those rewards to be removed too.
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You also have to differentiate between real rewards and meaningless stuff. A quest that is bugged to complete instantly that rewards 20 gold, not a problem. As is the case for most quests, even if the reward is nice it usually is trivial to complete anyways and getting it for free wouldnt be an issue. Then there is stuff that is time heavy, like daily mounts. If everyone gets them for free they would lose all meaning but they are so easy to get they arent really all that rare anyways, the netherdrakes for example.
Then we come to the stuff that actually matters, the bugged content that gives meaningfull rewards. Which tend to be, useable gear (in pvp or pve), a lot of gold (in worth or as such), rare mounts, rare pets, rare transmogs and similar stuff. If that stuff can be gotten via a bug its a real issue. Nothing else really is.
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First arena title is temporary is not due to broken classes, but due we have limited arena season, while on retail they move on with xpac and have "unlimited variation of gladiator title". About gear remove, even for wintrading / weapon stacking they only get ban and warmane never remove that gear. If you mean by cp or honor mess few month ago, i personally know some ppl that by sheer luck still get 1-2 piece benefit from that.
Second about leveling, manual leveling isnt that hard you may need like 1-2 day for experienced player and 4 day for newbie, not hard at all. And i didnt know what is "that doesn't even make sense" on that line also :D.
Third if you know some bug that is critical and exploitable just report in bugtracker instead of share them.
Note: Before making suggestion please make sure that your suggestion is applicable in all situation not just "this is exception", "that is exception".
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This is incorrect. Wotlk and Cata titles are permanent whereas MoP are not permanent, because of class bugs.
And I know people who had all gear taken away. I'm sure some slipped by, but Warmane attempted to remove all the gear. The few people who had gear left didn't have an advantage for long. I hope if and when Warmane removes CM rewards, they will be sure to get everyone and not mess it up by leaving some people with rewards.
Yes, that is my argument. That levelling here is harder than on retail, and as a result people did not get an advantage, but rather a disability.
Something we finally agree on.
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u have no idea what u are talking about clearly, meaning to something is what you make of it , secondly, bugged quest should be reported cause items in it would be exploited and abused , causing lag and having abnormal effects in other situations , like arena / bg , where they should not even have an effect, wich is why people like you should not even have a word in whats good for people or whats good to do, u do it to feed your weak ego
third, u keep saying things that actually matter, but dont bring up SoO , where people farmed and abused buggs such as norushen being resetted every hour,
so in your opinion everyone that has a ilvl gear over 550 , all should have their gear removed cause they got free gear at points where they should not have gotten any, so people complaining with meaningless and want to complain, should not be done
the titles in arena being removed is good cause pvp is not totally completed,, but u are talking about removing THE GEAR everytime people play, instead of getting the problem fixed
most dungeons dont even work still , so how will you remove stuff from things that work and you worked for, they will have to remove everything in game everytime
there is no issue if everyone can obtain it and its widely know, if u want people to stop using bugs REPORT THE BUGS, if u want to take everything in game away from people everytime they get stuff that is put out, thats on you and your corrupted ego
read and stop this pointless, childish, ego ran , illogical, selfish, pathetic attempt to ruin the game , its impossible to be done, they will have to remove pve gear, quest gear / rewards u get , pvp gear cause some items are used in bg that should not, and since NO ONE would want that, stop showing us u are greedy and selfish in everything you decide to do
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It seems that you didn't even read the previous posts of this thread.
Staff already said in this thread that the bug is fixed ( at the very first pages), and the discussion here is that warmane should remove the CM gear cause it is not earned from the right way. If you want to know, the whole point for CM was to make dungeons harder and everyone be equal and compete equally, not to just make them a bit harder and people with 550 ilvl get them easily.
Also, noone here said that the bugs should not be reported or report them here on forums and thats probably why people didn't talk about SoO and other bugs, plus as much as i know, notorious is a pvp player not a pve player so he probably had no idea about the bug you have mentioned.
I believe you are the one who should read posts better and then talk. Maybe you are one of those people who got CM gear and is afraid to lose em lol.
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This is the only part of your post worth replying to. I've reported this bug as an exploit now, which is something you should have done given that you knew about it.
I would be 100% okay if Warmane went ahead and removed all the items from this boss from players. I would lose an item as I've done this boss (legally, just once every raid) but I would be fine with losing my item if it leads to more fair play. However, I think the drops from this boss aren't as big an issue as the CM rewards, simply because these items are not going to be BiS for long, and most players will get the gear eventually as you can easily do this boss on normal with just Prideful gear.
I'm kind of done posting in this thread. All I've seen are pathetic arguments, often formed without any thought being put into them, blindly defending why players should keep the rewards they did not deserve. I don't think anyone is going to change their mind, so let's just leave it to Warmane.
@Staff, when heroic SoO comes out, can we PLEASE do a PTR. We cannot afford having bosses like Norushen being do-able 10 times a day with BiS gear being dropped by them. It is simply unacceptable that we've had such big issues with releases, issues that could easily have been tested in a PTR. I understand QA have a tough job, but seriously, how they overlooked gear scaling for CM is beyond me. Norushen resetting I think is forgive-able, but again, a PTR would have caught this easily I believe.
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Personally i've been in the PTR for dragon soul (in cata) and it is quite a mess inside the ptr and and still after it get release. And considering tot hc and few first soo release (till thok) we send like hundreds report for them in spreadsheet (dev and gm ask for it and get it) and most of them not getting fixed till now even after most of us going to retail :D.
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You say I have problems with English, yet you're not using your brain and attempting to understand. So let's try this again.
You say you want CM gear to be valuable.
I say you can't make it valuable unless there is a limited time window to obtain them. Such as you have 90 days to get the CM gear then they become unobtainable.
In Retail, MoP was temporary, which made the CM Gear valuable as it was available for a limited time.
Here at Warmane and other Private Servers that host MoP, they don't move onto the next expansion from their MoP realms.
So basically you're forever stuck in MoP.
Because of this OVER TIME EVERYONE AND ANYONE CAN OBTAIN THEM. Making the gear no longer valuable. Just like Icecrown with a lot of people or basically anyone and everyone has Shadowmourne. And even if you couldn't donate for Shadowmourne on Warmane the fact still remains that anyone and everyone can get it. It's the same concept, on private servers items are not valuable in the slightest unless it is a consumable like Gems/Potions/Enchants for example.
If you still don't understand this then perhaps you should work on reading comprehension.
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You obviously do not understand the difference between 'can' and 'will'. No, not everyone will OR can get Shadowmourne and not everyone will OR can get the CM rewards. I am pretty sure 2 ****ING YEARS were enough for 10 million people to get the gear. Do you want to know why it was valuable on retail? BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE COULD GET IT and if people on warmane (notoriously stupid for not being able to do incomplex stuff) can not or will not get the gear while it is easy i doubt they will get them 2 years after it does get fixed.
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2 Years....Molten had Wrath since 2010 or so then it was rebranded into Warmane. The point is, WRATH ON RETAIL HAD A LIMITED TIME. On a private server WRATH NEVER ENDS. This makes "valuable items" not so "valuable". It doesn't matter what expansion or what item (outside of consumables) will no longer be valuable since everyone will have access to it.
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But for all for all intents and purposes during the expansion is is endless too. CM mogs/gear were rare in Mop, not cause it would stop being avaible when mop ended (most people didnt even know that), but simply because they were rare. Everyone could get them in Mop, but not everyone was able to. Same on here. Your argument doesnt make sense.
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But it does make sense, the longer the expansion is out, the more opportunity you have to get the CM gear. The more oppertunity you have the higher the chance you can get it. And considering we stay in MoP in this case you'll forever have a chance to get them.
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But that doesnt affect the rarity during the expansion itself. During MoP (which this should try to emulate) you also always had the chance to get them, yet they still were rare. The CMs dont get easier over time, so the challenge always stays the same (ideally).
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