As usual.. Ninja looting bans

[bigbazz]

Actually you can't.

The Fury Warrior has HIGH TIER GEAR vs a Shadow Priest that has a level 70 WEAPON. Two separate things.

Ninja Looting (in warmane's sense) is ONLY applied if someone breaks loot rules that WERE STATED before the start of the raid. If it wasn't stated, then you can't be a ninja. It is black and white.

You missed the point, both situations are purposely making a gearing choice to do less damage, it's not a hard concept to grasp. And clearly the Ninja looting applies here since the players got banned.

[romz]

You missed the point, both situations are purposely making a gearing choice to do less damage, it's not a hard concept to grasp. And clearly the Ninja looting applies here since the players got banned.

You're missing the point, you lose a lot more DPS when using a level 70 WEAPON at level 80 compared to a Fury warrior running HIGH END TIER GEAR for 1H weapon. That is why you can't compare.

I also already stated we may be getting half the story from the OP. So the whole "And clearly the Ninja looting applies here since the players got banned." is irrelevant.

[bigbazz]

You're missing the point, you lose a lot more DPS when using a level 70 WEAPON at level 80 compared to a Fury warrior running HIGH END TIER GEAR for 1H weapon. That is why you can't compare.

I also already stated we may be getting half the story from the OP. So the whole "And clearly the Ninja looting applies here since the players got banned." is irrelevant.

How can I be missing the point? I made the original point that you missed, only you get to miss the point because you brought it up.. And you're still missing it, too fixated on your own thing.

[Garun]

So he wanted to have an awkward build. How is that ban worthy? If what OP is saying is correct, then I don't think he broke any rules.

I could use a 2H when tanking on my warrior because I want an awkward build. It would be around as effective for the shaman as it would be for me as a tank. Do you see the point?

[romz]

How can I be missing the point? I made the original point that you missed, only you get to miss the point because you brought it up.. And you're still missing it, too fixated on your own thing.

I already told you how you're missing the point, if you can't read then you probably shouldn't partake in most activities.

[bigbazz]

I already told you how you're missing the point, if you can't read then you probably shouldn't partake in most activities.

English reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, you've been having an argument with a topic that I didn't bring up for multiple posts because you missed the point I was making, are still missing the point I'm making and now you're coming in with the big talk because your pride won't let you admit it without finding an out to save face.

Don't come at me with this bull**** man, because aside from wasting both our time you have no chance of coming out on top and feeling any of the satisfaction you're searching for here.

[romz]

English reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, you've been having an argument with a topic that I didn't bring up for multiple posts because you missed the point I was making, are still missing the point I'm making and now you're coming in with the big talk because your pride won't let you admit it without finding an out to save face.

Don't come at me with this bull**** man, because aside from wasting both our time you have no chance of coming out on top and feeling any of the satisfaction you're searching for here.

Obviously its better than yours when you have to ask a question when an answer has already been provided.

[MaXiMuS54]

Enhancement is just a wannabe frost dk, they're inferior in every way compared to one, in pve and pvp. I laugh at the thought of a 2h enhancement going around not using his other melee ability of which enhancement only has 2.

[Whiksey]

Finding this thread entertaining. I may have missed it, but did OP ever say whether or not loot rules were established?

I feel like the crux of the matter was that no one stipulated Main>Off to these Shamans, at the very least, or specifically that [Whackstick of Dramatization] was reserved for the Warriorman.

Getting a GM to ban folk for doing things that others 'don't really like, because it's objectively silly' is a slippery slope. That sort of thing leads to a ban for players attempting to play ret paladin raider in Vanilla, or for rolling on cloth as a moonkin, or for using mind control to jump players off cliffs.

Much better to have a GM ban folk for doing things that "Break Rule 1.4.1-Ninja Looting, with this screenshot of stipulated loot rules, and this screenshot of player breaking stated rules" is much preferable.

Or, if we seek such a totalitarian rule over things, disable the ability for shamans to equip 2H weapons (I have to imagine that warmane devs could find a way), problem solved.

[bigbazz]

Obviously its better than yours when you have to ask a question when an answer has already been provided.

Exactly what questions have I asked? All I did was come into the thread to point out your fallacies and lack of common sense of your viewpoint when discussing with others, to weigh in on the situation with a level head. It's your sense of pride that is causing you to take an irrational and illogical hard line defense against everyone rather than try to come to a sensible understanding. It's all bravado and pride, the whole thread is against you because your point of view doesn't hold up, and you're refusing to concede and turn it back into a sensible discussion.

That's why you found an interpretation of my post that you could turn into an argument and avoided accepting the point I was making, you made a choice to turn it into a war of words rather than make an attempt at understanding what was written and why the example was given. You've done it the whole thread, the fact is that if we had a more active community you would have been lynched for your hardline approach and unwillingness to have a 2 way interaction.

But sure you keep fighting the battle, don't forget to point out how you have won in every post so that you can avoid engaging the topic.

[romz]

Exactly what questions have I asked? All I did was come into the thread to point out your fallacies and lack of common sense of your viewpoint when discussing with others, to weigh in on the situation with a level head. It's your sense of pride that is causing you to take an irrational and illogical hard line defense against everyone rather than try to come to a sensible understanding. It's all bravado and pride, the whole thread is against you because your point of view doesn't hold up, and you're refusing to concede and turn it back into a sensible discussion.

That's why you found an interpretation of my post that you could turn into an argument and avoided accepting the point I was making, you made a choice to turn it into a war of words rather than make an attempt at understanding what was written and why the example was given. You've done it the whole thread, the fact is that if we had a more active community you would have been lynched for your hardline approach and unwillingness to have a 2 way interaction.

But sure you keep fighting the battle, don't forget to point out how you have won in every post so that you can avoid engaging the topic.

Do you have amnesia or something? You know exactly what you had asked but apparently it is now convenient for you to "forget?"

At least Whiksey knows whats up.

[bigbazz]

Do you have amnesia or something? You know exactly what you had asked but apparently it is now convenient for you to "forget?"

At least Whiksey knows whats up.

If you think I've asked you a question, you're once again suffering a lack of reading comprehension, I have at no point asked you a question and whether or not I would be suffering from amnesia would be irrelevant since we don't need to rely on either of our memories, it's written in the forum.

And oh I'm well aware of what your position is and just because I don't express it it doesn't mean I dont "get it" like whiksey.. I just disagree, if someone knowingly makes the choice to take an item not designed/intended to be used for their spec in a main spec roll over a player with a spec where it designed/intended to be used then I think that is ninja looting, and in the right circumstances should absolutely be considered for banning, and in such cases it has been considered that.

A 2handed weapon is not an enhancement weapon in WOTLK, and a 1handed weapon is not a Fury weapon and that is not debatable at level 80.

[Skoobydoo]

Do you have amnesia or something? You know exactly what you had asked but apparently it is now convenient for you to "forget?"

At least Whiksey knows whats up.

dont think Whisksey nor you have much connection to reality.the guy compare taking 2h weapon as enh in WOTL with playing ret in vanilla.he also suggest warmane to disable the ability for shamans to use 2h weapon .he actually made you look smart and at this point thats really hard to do.

[romz]

If you think I've asked you a question, you're once again suffering a lack of reading comprehension, I have at no point asked you a question and whether or not I would be suffering from amnesia would be irrelevant since we don't need to rely on either of our memories, it's written in the forum.

And oh I'm well aware of what your position is and just because I don't express it it doesn't mean I dont "get it" like whiksey.. I just disagree, if someone knowingly makes the choice to take an item not designed/intended to be used for their spec in a main spec roll over a player with a spec where it designed/intended to be used then I think that is ninja looting, and in the right circumstances should absolutely be considered for banning, and in such cases it has been considered that.

A 2handed weapon is not an enhancement weapon in WOTLK, and a 1handed weapon is not a Fury weapon and that is not debatable at level 80.

So what do you call "How can I be missing the point?" THAT YOU TYPED about 3 posts ago?

Like I said you're definitely suffering from amnesia. Get out of here with your bull****.

dont think Whisksey nor you have much connection to reality.the guy compare taking 2h weapon as enh in WOTL with playing ret in vanilla.he also suggest warmane to disable the ability for shamans to use 2h weapon .he actually made you look smart and at this point thats really hard to do.

I chose to ignore his suggestion as I was referring to this part

"Getting a GM to ban folk for doing things that others 'don't really like, because it's objectively silly' is a slippery slope. That sort of thing leads to a ban for players attempting to play ret paladin raider in Vanilla, or for rolling on cloth as a moonkin, or for using mind control to jump players off cliffs.

Much better to have a GM ban folk for doing things that "Break Rule 1.4.1-Ninja Looting, with this screenshot of stipulated loot rules, and this screenshot of player breaking stated rules" is much preferable. "

As I'm assuming he isn't being serious with his suggestion that he made.

[bigbazz]

So what do you call "How can I be missing the point?" THAT YOU TYPED about 3 posts ago?

Like I said you're definitely suffering from amnesia. Get out of here with your bull****.



I chose to ignore his suggestion as I was referring to this part

"Getting a GM to ban folk for doing things that others 'don't really like, because it's objectively silly' is a slippery slope. That sort of thing leads to a ban for players attempting to play ret paladin raider in Vanilla, or for rolling on cloth as a moonkin, or for using mind control to jump players off cliffs.

Much better to have a GM ban folk for doing things that "Break Rule 1.4.1-Ninja Looting, with this screenshot of stipulated loot rules, and this screenshot of player breaking stated rules" is much preferable. "

As I'm assuming he isn't being serious with his suggestion that he made.

You might want to look up the definition of "rhetorical question". Like I said already, reading comprehension failure on your part, do try to keep up.