Me and my bf have been running some LFg random runs, rogue called ... already appeared rather greedy during the BRD run. Thought no big deal his gear is rather crap. Luck had it for him that Shadowblade dropped, so he asks full caps if he can take it. His weapons certainly much worse we agree with the idea that he will equip it. "soon" he says, we try to convince him to wear it that moment as to know for sure it wasn't that he just wanted to ninja to sell. He still claims he doesn't go sell it, we finish emperor, he leaves group, we check AH and guess what.. it's on there for 1750g. I call that plain ninja, no big deal if he wore it but need rolling just to sell is not ok.
I have several screen shots in case needed (sadly not much of the conversation)
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Ninja loot epic drop to put on AH
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Well, ninja is the act of rolling Need and taking an item you shouldn't, without the express agreement of the rest of the party.
That's not what the player in question did. He might be a liar, he might have fooled you two, but you did believe him and gave him the okay to Need on it. You can try the usual (and proper) way of reporting someone, but I think lying like that might be outside the scope of what the GMs can or should deal with. He can say he intended on wearing the item later, but then found himself needing the gold more and decided to sell, and the GMs won't have a way to say if that's the truth or not.
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Was it being sold by him? Having X item in AH doesn't mean person A you saw put it there. It won't even sell for that price. It's ugly, so not good for xmog. Not even that good for 49 twinks, but that's quite dead content anyway.
Check the player's armory and see if it's equipped yet. If not, make a report (edit: or not, read Obnoxious' reply above), if you want, and have sufficient evidence backing up the report with SS of roll, SS/link of armory etc.Edited: July 21, 2020
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Well that's just a few opinions about it, there's much more to it then that.
I would definetly call this an act of ninja, the moment he put it on auctionhouse, the "I might needed the gold more" sounds like a bad excuse.Edited: July 21, 2020
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What counts is still what the GMs define as ninja, not what some might see as "much more," and lying about going to equip an item, but instead putting it on sale, isn't part of what's covered in the rules for it. For sure bad behavior and something I'd let others know about, but, as already said, probably something outside the scope of what GMs should deal with. Lying or not, in the end of the day there's nothing in the rules forbidding a player from changing his mind, nor should there be, and there's no real way to prove it wasn't what happened.
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I agree it's a huge gray area but if there isn't rules set in stone people will abuse it one way or another. In the case of BoE's people already get banned for needing OS gear, I belived it was because of the same thing here, it's hard to prove if they actually need, so if you need it you can sell it, this opends up to people knowing they can get bad gear, equip it and fool people to belive they need the BoE.
If someone takes any piece of gear to sell it on auctionhouse without the rest of the raid knowing it, that just sounds a lot like a ninja to me, however anyone may put it.
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Again, rules can't forbid players from changing their minds about what they want to do with loot, and GMs can't be expected to know if someone lied or not. What is covered in the rules is that rolling Need with the rest of the group agreeing to it isn't ninja, and that happened. This is the sort of thing that unfortunately falls in a trusting the wrong person category, and I'd see treated the same as giving someone bank rights to your guild bank, and them taking everything before quitting it. GMs aren't going to return items or ban the player as far as I'm aware, since you yourself gave them the ability and permission to do that in the end of the day.
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