1. Also this thread is from octomber my guess is OP already have made his choice :D
    Might be true, but the thread discussion still serves the same purpose for everyone else even if its no longer relevant to the OP.

  2. Only overgeared players are those who min/max and clear ICC25hc - which won't happen to raid that takes 0.75 of rdps role represented as Ele shammy.
    Any spec is "playable", thing is that not all specs can provide results required from role.

    There are lots of shamans to be fair, but almost all of them are resto. As dps, enha is hard and ele is bad, so you won't see either of them often - make it seem like there is low population of shamans.

    And only thing i've said is that Ele shammy is bad spec which will lead OP into wasting resourses on thing that he will regret

  3. Only overgeared players are those who min/max and clear ICC25hc - which won't happen to raid that takes 0.75 of rdps role represented as Ele shammy.

    Not true at all, edpecially on Icecrown where you can but gear fromt he store.


    And only thing i've said is that Ele shammy is bad spec which will lead OP into wasting resourses on thing that he will regret
    Its not a bad spec, its suboptimal if you wanna min/max. Bad spec will be a spec that cant meet the threshhold of DPS to kill the bosses and dont provide any buffs/utility for the raid. Shamans can do both.

    Also @Imperiet listed it as numbet 10, which you keep ignoring. Maybe provide some constructive criticism and tell us which specs/spec you think he misses that will be ahead of elemental shaman in terms of easier time getting into raid/guilds.
    Edited: December 8, 2020

  4. Well, it was #9 before hunters at first.
    This spec is leftover. I would place it at last spot at all after all other dps and utility classes.
    Nobody never look for ele shammy. Let's not take such things as "icc10/25 first 4 bosses" pugs for example because they can't be representative.
    It is true that ppl want shammy for heroism, but they don't want ele shammy. Boomie give same buff and provides much more dmg and utility, and in 10ppl hc ele will be burden for raid due to not being able to get in dps treshhold. Enha better both dps and buff wise, cuz fdk is another rare spec in this game.

    All other "easy to get in" specs already listed, there is no point in trying to bring something else up. Only reason i said so was to prevent OP from making mistake and wasting time/gold/coins for ele spec since it's dead-end spec

  5. Top 10 most desired class.

    1. TANKS*
    2. Holy Paladin
    3. Disco Priest
    4. Resto Druid
    5. Resto Shaman
    6. Balance Druid
    7. Demo / Affil Lock
    8. Shadow Priest
    9. Hunter
    10. Ele Shaman


    *EXCLUDING WARRIOR TANKS.
    Sometimes different tanks can be more desireable, such as Feral Druids for their mass armor, but raids are rarely picky about this.


    Edit@ Changes position on Ele Shaman and Hunter.
    Resto druid, the only healer that can be skipped in favor of another one (holy priest) ranking higher than a resto shaman.
    Demo locks and affli locks sharing the 7th place because apparently they are equally sought after.
    Prot warriors being put in their place by the true kings of armor --> druids
    People actively looking for ele shamans.

    You learn new things every day.

  6. Well, it was #9 before hunters at first.
    After some quick reconsideration I made the swap. The funny thing about Hunters is that theres so many of them, yet somehow they seem somewhat absent when a good raid is being built. it is an unusual phenomenon.

    This spec is leftover. I would place it at last spot at all after all other dps and utility classes.
    Nobody never look for ele shammy. Let's not take such things as "icc10/25 first 4 bosses" pugs for example because they can't be representative.
    It is true that ppl want shammy for heroism, but they don't want ele shammy. Boomie give same buff and provides much more dmg and utility, and in 10ppl hc ele will be burden for raid due to not being able to get in dps treshhold. Enha better both dps and buff wise, cuz fdk is another rare spec in this game.

    All other "easy to get in" specs already listed, there is no point in trying to bring something else up. Only reason i said so was to prevent OP from making mistake and wasting time/gold/coins for ele spec since it's dead-end spec
    Okay, I need to state an argument about ele shaman which I should have stated from the beginning: There isnt a single high-end Ele Shman in the world who doesnt have resto specc. You say its a waste to gear a ele shaman, and that you are trying to "spare the OP" from this. But you are aware that resto shaman and ele shaman literally share almost the exact same gear throughout most of the game (unless we are talking perfectionized endgame BiS, somewhere most players dont even reach). A Resto shaman can (and should) be able to swap to Ele at given demand, and vice versa. If you go for Resto / Encha specc for your shaman you're gonna have to build a completely new character item set, and that my friend MAY INFACT be a waste of time.

    And as I hate to repeat myself, I will say it again. It is far more likely that the raid is missing a Balance Druid and a Demo Lock more than they might be missing a Blood DK or a Hunter, or the fact that the raid needs another Rdps rather than another Mdps. You are still obssesed about which class is more suitable simply cause of big dick dps which is not really the case.
    Ele Shaman is more wanted than Encha, and Shaman is simply a very desired class overall. 90% of all shamans I know have Resto MS and Ele OS, and for a good reason.
    Edited: December 9, 2020

  7. Resto druid, the only healer that can be skipped in favor of another one (holy priest) ranking higher than a resto shaman.
    The hard thing with making a list, is that no matter where you place them if you decide to make your own list, someone will call you out on it, and with good reason for it which is hard to argue against. Its a soft list, and I dont consider my words as divine law. Take it with a grain of salt.
    Its impossible to make a "accurate" list esspecially with healer classes since healing classes are extremely optimal. The point I was trying to make is that Healers Uber Alles in general.

    Demo locks and affli locks sharing the 7th place because apparently they are equally sought after.
    You're right, Demo lock will always be more wanted. The point I was trying to make is that lock is simply desired, but that Destruction may not be what the raid wants.

    Prot warriors being put in their place by the true kings of armor --> druids
    Few raids want warrior tanks if they're given a choice.

    People actively looking for ele shamans.
    Ele shaman is more desirable than the unlisted classes that comes after.
    Edited: December 9, 2020

  8. After some quick reconsideration I made the swap. The funny thing about Hunters is that theres so many of them, yet somehow they seem somewhat absent when a good raid is being built. it is an unusual phenomenon.
    Well that's because its really hard to find good hunters, there is a reason people call them huntards. Do you know on retail they make it so when hunters enter a dungeon their Pet taunt automatically turn off? Imagine how much of a problem this must have been that Blizzard added a system for it.

    Btw when it comes to clearing HC i also see people ask for ret paladins, which is also super unusual since there is tons of them.

  9. Btw when it comes to clearing HC i also see people ask for ret paladins, which is also super unusual since there is tons of them.
    Same reason with hunters - lots of wannabe big dps retri players who think they are kings of dmg etc, while retri their purpose is utility.
    They don't Salvation/Sacrifice, don't do proper aura mastery with switching etc.
    They think they are warriors and have only damaging skills on action bars (same as warrs don't have sunders)

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