CTA Weekend only is destroying the 79 Twink Bracket

[Zuragis]

Why have Warmane decided to move the CTA to the weekend only. This is really bad for the 79 twink community.

[Heliox]

Although I don't know why they did that (I think i saw some post back in the day that every-day CTA was their choice, not a bug), could you elaborate why and how is this destroying the twink bracket?

[Shred]

Every day CTA was indeed their choice, in retail CTA has always been every weekend. I liked the daily CTA though.

[yARR]

I was wondering when a alliance forum warrior was gonna touch on this topic aka the topic that without a solid CTA each day (which they had for ages) would literally destroy this bracket. And instead we get a Heliox aka forum warrior who gonna try to defend this way of choice, which you are clearly showing which side you are on. We need all kind of players within this bracket, the twinker, the go throu, the honor grinders w/e it might be. (Ofc we knew this since now it's dream for WSG everyday without certain people, which nearly like 99% of the leadership within the Alliances guilds got this sieve, with their consistent cry on these people and WSG love). I also wonder where this beautiful ''I care about this bracket'' Stalir is? Isn't he the one who always care about this beutiful bracket etc, and yet it took days before even someone touched on this subject (Which Warmane is atm not clearly put out a reason or explained why, just mentioned it in their bugtracker, sneaky peaky.)
Me personal wouldn't get back into Wow overall nor even tried out twinking if it wasn't for the CTA everday, since i can clearly say that nearly all twinks aim for playing all the bgs (Would you only wanna play WSG, we would maybe be in the 19 bracket? Am i rite Miss Heliox?)
Another sour point that the Alliance hate to take into consideration is that, without all the people that play or go through this bracket, this bracket is NOTHING! I know that hurts to hear, but without the people that get into the different kind of bgs, we wouldn't have the active days of AV's, IOC's etc. But also we wouldn't get the possible recruits that surely swim among the people. Might be easy to be a twink guild that is composite with 2 former twink guilds that got their core built up already.
So yes Miss Heliox, this is truly the beginning of the destruction of this awesome bracket, WSG all days will get boring and eventually scare twinks away -> which also leads to the point of no people in the bgs (No possible recruits, means no more twinks incoming right)

To conclude this, i do understand the point of taking it away from the 80 bracket, since what do they have which we don't? RBG. I'm a huge fan of implenting it into this bracket. It would draw more people to the server, more players in the bgs, new possible recruits and ofc the most important point, a more enjoyable, fun and awesome experience. This is something we all could aim for and atleast try to strive for, since Warmane isn't blizzard nor they aren't blizzlike.

So dear Heliox, could you elaborate why and how this isn't destroying the twink bracket?

[Persivaln]

@yARR chill your lower back)
79 twinking can not be alive with x7 xp ratio, cuz nobody wants to go in lvling crap gear against geared in best available items character with chants and gems just to fuel shattered ego of twink player.

[Heliox]

My dear friend, I think you shouldn't project things I haven't said. Make some tea, relax a bit, I just asked a question. No need to get all furious all of the sudden xD

And to answer your question: I haven't taken any stand in this topic. I liked everyday CTA (surprised?), but I don't think the new system will be that bad that it will "destroy the bracket". Hence I asked my question.

[Phobossus]

Asking someone to elaborate on his statement in order to try to understand why he thinks what he thinks? Achievement Unlocked: Defender.

[Mitakaxxx]

Hello, people!

First, let me say Happy New Year!
Since I've been mentioned by yARR, I came here to respond and share my opinion and experience so far. I tried to communicate with the opposite faction (Horde) and to arrange battlegrounds many times - that didn't happen. I tried to have a talk with them for avoiding certain (toxic) things in battlegrounds, which many people of the twink community hate, because they break the whole gameplay of some classes and makes them useless - that partially didn't happen. Don't get me wrong, there are people on both factions who abuse these things, but when I tried to help this cause, it didn't had much outcome. And I saw resistance mostly from the Horde side, especially some Lordaeron twinks. Have to say that there are very cool people on both sides who are willing to cooperate with "my" cause, but there is majority who think that's stupid idea. Anyways, I am always open for cooperation. So far I've been trying to actually do something good for the bracket, I am also talking with Alliance players who do such things and try to convince them to stop. Love me or hate me, I put some effort and even if I didn't have such success (because I am just one person, I can't control everyone), at least I tried. And maybe if I see some hope for this cause anytime soon, I will try again. I can't do this by myself, noone can. The key to a healthy and good bracket is cooperation between factions. This is just a game and you shouldn't put so much personal stuff into it. If we can improve the bracket a bit, the feeling from playing our favourite game might be way joyfull.

And as for the new CTA system. First, let me say that it’s not on us how the CTA system will work, we can only share our opinion and ideas, but only Warmane is accessible to change that. You must all learn that cooperation between factions is the key to establish good bracket. The new CTA system has good and bad side. Let's start with the BAD:
1.There won’t be enough honor farming during the week, that means less gems to buy, therefore not much money making. We still don’t know what will happen after gold squish though.
2. We won’t have as much people joining battlegrounds like before during the week.
3. Overall there will be less battlegrounds.
4. Weekends Call to Arms will be only one specific battleground, changing every week. So 2-3 days of a certain CTA will be kinda boring.
And now the GOOD:
1.The battlegrounds will be filled with less levelers on both sides, which will give us more balanced games. After all killing lowbies is pathetic way to scratch your ego (if you enjoy that, I’m sorry for you).
2. We will see really who are the best pvp players. Playing with and against twinks will give you more motivation to be better. So overall it will improve every player in a way.
3. The quality of each battleground will be much higher because of the balanced game. Therefore the pleasure of winning it will be way higher.
4. Warsong gulch isn’t the only option for battleground, if anyone is interested in, we can make some kind of an agreement between factions, therefore we can set a certain day from Monday-Friday for playing either AB or EOTS. Twinking community is big enough to make such kind of things. We just need people who are willing to try and want to have fun.
This is my opinion. Like it or not, some things here are spot on.

Have fun,
Stalir

[Banquo]

Hello, people!

First, let me say Happy New Year!

How very sweet. Thank you.

Since I've been mentioned by yARR, I came here to respond and share my opinion and experience so far. I tried to communicate with the opposite faction (Horde) and to arrange battlegrounds many times - that didn't happen.

Actually it did happen. Well, not *you* arranging it (you never arranged anything), but there were many premade vs premade battlegrounds that were had mostly in the summer. It didn't take any arrangement to make them, all it took was having enough twinks on our side. What we have now (and have had for many months) is one side making big premades then flexing about how amazing they are that the other side (which doesn't have the numbers to match it) can't beat them with a random team and (can you believe it? Gasp! oh the horror!) some of them *even* (I can't believe the shame) actually LEAVE THE BG when they're alone vs 10/15 twinks on the other side (like seriously, do they have *any* balls at all? What kind of sucker are they not to fight alone vs 10 twinks?)

I told you Stalir if you were so in love with your tryhard premades and hate levellers so much (solo queue is *so painful* after all) that you could make some twinks on horde side and play amongst yourselves. You can have 25 minute turtle wsg games to your hearts' content forever, uninterrupted all day. Though you'd have to make sure you had enough paladins to mc hop or apply the forbearance debuff to your own flag carrier. We all know that these kinds of games are the pinnacle of PVP after all, and anyone who doesn't agree must be a sucker.

I tried to have a talk with them for avoiding certain (toxic) things in battlegrounds, which many people of the twink community hate, because they break the whole gameplay of some classes and makes them useless - that partially didn't happen. Don't get me wrong, there are people on both factions who abuse these things, but when I tried to help this cause, it didn't had much outcome.

No, what you did is make a huge list of demands of things that bother you personally and didn't listen whatsoever to the things that bother horde players. This isn't trying to "fix the bracket". You just want to signal about what a virtuous person you are, but you don't actually care about any of the things that would fix the bracket from our point of view.

How about the fact that alliance people trash talk horde people on a literal daily basis? - deaf ears from you
How about the fact that alliance players refuse to solo queue (solo queue is scary)? - deaf ears from you
How about the fact that CTA like Isle of Conquest and Alterac Valley rarely pop because alliance twinks don't queue them - your response "they are trash battlegrounds"

I know you don't like these battelgrounds but some of us do. I play range dps and AV is fun for me. Wow we have different priorities about what we enjoy, who'd have thunk it?

My point here is that you aren't fixing anything complaining about things that you don't like and putting fingers in your ears about the things we don't like. Both myself and Thunor and others have made these points and you don't care. You want *us* to do all the changing to suit you while you continue doing everything you like to do.

Not only that, but you went back to alliance and gave the false impression that you'd struck some sort of "deal" and that horde were therefore "breaking a pact" when they proceeded to gy camp your asses (as is our wont). No deal was struck. No pact was therefore broken. I count this as dishonesty on your part for giving this impression.

And I saw resistance mostly from the Horde side, especially some Lordaeron twinks. Have to say that there are very cool people on both sides who are willing to cooperate with "my" cause, but there is majority who think that's stupid idea.

You mean some people gave you pushback and some people gave you less. This is pretty normal. There are different personalities after all. The ones who didn't disagree with you too much are the "cool guys" it seems.

And maybe if I see some hope for this cause anytime soon, I will try again. I can't do this by myself, noone can. The key to a healthy and good bracket is cooperation between factions. This is just a game and you shouldn't put so much personal stuff into it. If we can improve the bracket a bit, the feeling from playing our favourite game might be way joyfull.

Writing platitudes doesn't make you a good person. You like to fan your own balls about how much you have "tried" but you haven't listened at all. This isn't trying.

What you did is make a list of demands to the opposition demanding that they change and then cried foul when some people told you where you could stick it given what you and your faction have done and still do that *we* consider toxic.

You all sit in your echo chamber agreeing with each other thinking that what you believe is so *obvious*. Well it isn't.

This is my opinion. Like it or not, some things here are spot on.

Well it's good to know that you agree with yourself.

Also, finally, on your points about the "good" and "bad" of a weekly cta:

I had experience of exactly this system on another server and none of what you describe rings true from my memory. There will still be tons of levellers -- sorry to disappoint you there -- and about the only thing that *is* true is that there will be a lot more wsg. And for this reason I agree with Thunor that this change is bad. I know certain alliance twinks will be less disappointed since 25 minute turtle games are the joy of their existence, but for the rest of us, this is a bad change. I would like the old system restored (I had thought it one of the best features of warmane tbh) or as Thunor said, a random battleground system.

[Banquo]

I just want to bump the original post and add that, after a couple of weeks now with the new system, we can safely say that general activity in the bracket has greatly reduced.

We're on a Friday approaching the evening and there are currently no battlegrounds running and any pops that occur close after 5 minutes. We're not even close to an AV pop.

I don't see the benefits of this change that Stalir promised, only a great reduction in activity (on both horde and alliance) and I think this change needs to be reversed ASAP. And that would be in the interests of *everybody*, though I'm sure there are a few too short-sighted and too focused on hating people to realise this.

[Persivaln]

Bruh. If all of you (twinkers) realy cared inly about BG fun, bracket wouldn't "die". But without CTA spam you get way less honor > way less resources. It's only possible reason if we throw away idea of you being pure and honest persons.
Why would ppl stop doing it othervise?

[sonusahu3185]

Can someone fix this? 70-79 bracket sucks now with only weekend CTA. Weekday CTA has been part of warmane/molten legacy/history for as long as i can remember. WHich is a really long time. As such, my humble request is not to kill this bracket and make it boring.