Realms New Auto flag AFK in BGS is encouraging camping

[Crow1122]

I've recently noticed that in bgs, if you don't move for awhile, you get flagged for AFK. Now, I know people can report you AFK and it gives you the debuff. And I don't know if Warmane has stated or not that they've made this change. But it's very apparent there is an Auto Flag AFK going on in bgs right now. I ran premades with 10 people and in WSG we tested just to see and sure enough, we started getting flagged afk. This promotes a huge problem. 1: I was carrying Flag in one WSG and it was a long one. I had Flag and EFC had flag the entire game and alliance were holding up at their base. After 7min go by, I get flagged Afk AUTO while holding the flag in our FR just because alliance didn't bother to try and come get it back. 2: This HUGELY promotes 25min farming in WSG, it use to be if you were getting farmed, don't rez and they'll cap and end the bg. But now, if you don't rez, you get flagged AFK Automatically by the system, ENCOURAGING 25min Farming in WSG.

[Thorbjorn]

And the suggestion here is?
It was implemented because too many people AFKed in BGs. Removing it would just infest BGs with AFKers again.

[Crow1122]

I suggest Warmane either tweaks it better, or removes it all together. I was holding alliance Flag in the horde base, the alliance did not bother to try and get their flag back for several minutes. So I got flagged AFK while Holding their flag, the alliance player that was holding the horde flag did not get flagged afk because he/she was actively entering pvp combat as our team tried to get our flag back. But their team DID NOT try and get it back and since I was holding their flag in our base without entering pvp combat for awhile, I was flagged AFK and kicked. That's a clear issue. The second issue is, also pertaining to Warsong Gultch bg. If one team is spawn camping a GY, sometimes they will continue to spawn camp untill the last minute and then cap the flag. However, this use to be dealt with by simply not resurrecting if you were the team being camped, the camping team would get bored and cap flag. Now, it's "Rez and be farmed for 25min, or be kicked and get deserter debuff". But with this system it forces you to resurrect if you don't want the debuff allowing the camping team to Spawn farm for entertainment for 24 minutes rather than camping the flag. I'm all for camping if you're team is good, but their use to be a counter way, now there is none. As I said, it needs to be tweaked more. I think it should be up t players to report Afkers as it's always been.

[Thorbjorn]

I suggest Warmane either tweaks it better, or removes it all together. I was holding alliance Flag in the horde base, the alliance did not bother to try and get their flag back for several minutes. So I got flagged AFK while Holding their flag, the alliance player that was holding the horde flag did not get flagged afk because he/she was actively entering pvp combat as our team tried to get our flag back. But their team DID NOT try and get it back and since I was holding their flag in our base without entering pvp combat for awhile, I was flagged AFK and kicked. That's a clear issue. The second issue is, also pertaining to Warsong Gultch bg. If one team is spawn camping a GY, sometimes they will continue to spawn camp untill the last minute and then cap the flag. However, this use to be dealt with by simply not resurrecting if you were the team being camped, the camping team would get bored and cap flag. Now, it's "Rez and be farmed for 25min, or be kicked and get deserter debuff". But with this system it forces you to resurrect if you don't want the debuff allowing the camping team to Spawn farm for entertainment for 24 minutes rather than camping the flag. I'm all for camping if you're team is good, but their use to be a counter way, now there is none. As I said, it needs to be tweaked more. I think it should be up t players to report Afkers as it's always been.

Back when players used to report a simple cast sequence bot from Blackrock would remove the debuff every 10 seconds when he casts a spell. This system doesn't remove it until he actually enters PvP combat making you actually play the game to avoid getting kicked for inactivity. It's way better than what we had in that case.

As for carrying the flag, sure, that should be tweaked.
And as for camping graveyard, you joined a BG to actively participate in PvP. AFKing on graveyard while canceling resurrection isn't PvPing. Sure, feeding them honor is ******ed and prolonging a already lost BG is unnecessary but if you feel like you'll just end up getting camped on graveyard leave the BG and take the 15 minute deserter - shorter than AFKing on graveyard for 25 minutes total. I shouldn't even mention that AFKing in ghost is against the rules and can fetch you a ban so IDK why you're arguing for it.

[Crow1122]

Well, there is way more problems this causes than fixes. Another good example is Alterac Valley, when you're team is gaining the upper hand and pushing the other back. You still need some players to stay behind and defend Bunkers/Towers. They won't be able to do this because now the system will flag them AFK if they don't enter pvp combat while defending. Also, for the "Camping" aspect. This system is counter-productive. I screenshot and Strand of the Ancients I was in and ally were farming us on the beach. Best part is, no one ressed, except me and I watched all 11 of them get kicked and no horde came in to replace them so the bg ended with "not enough players". Get ready to see that happen a lot more often.

Edit: In short, this system will actually increase que times between bgs as it kicks players that aren't even AFK, giving them a 15 minute deserter buff. Times that by 100s of players throughout bgs and you end up with a clogged up Que time from a not needed deserter buff. Completely controdicts needing Mercenary mode to lower bg que times(for alliance specfially). Now, you'll need to reduce que times because people are getting a debuff while not even being AFK.

[fdbsfhe4rfar]

I don't see how kicking players from bgs actually improves anything. people always did afk in bgs and that was never an issue. the only issue i see here is people complaining/whining about others because they didn't win the bg.