Racism

[Obnoxious]

Yes, you did. Your comment made it look like there might be some expectation of accuracy for something to be racism, which is false. I just listed other factors that might any or all be also inaccurate, and none of it would matter. A racist comment or insult is racist, whether it "hits the mark" fully, partially or not at all.

Still, while you'd need to get specifics from a GM for in-game situations, I can tell you on the Forums we have an Infraction for discrimination that encompasses a lot more than just racism. It gives enough points to be an automatic ban.

[Disktrasa]

I tell racist players something like "Hey I'm black so you leave me alone!" then printscreen their *** going full on racist, and get them banned.

[Valestia]

Is your work a safe space because you cant call your boss an N word, yes or no? I doubt you'll answer this question because that would mean any sort of social space where you cant lash out like a toddler is a safe space, making most spaces in society safe. When we say safe space we dont generally mean "places where its unacceptable be socially incompetent or inept", you probably know this but it would absolutely decimate your argument.

You're mistaking this place of entertainment and freedom of expression, to an already established workplace, with forced rules, based on their sponsors/partners, who also look to an artificial NORM because they want to rationalize control over every aspect of a person. This has been going on for decades, even before you were born, so it's understandable you think this is normal, because you were born into it. Unfortunately, people join this server, and express themselves like everyone is a potential friend, who will either LIKE or DISLIKE their behavior. This is how most people find their place in this world, and the reason why they choose to come INTO this world, because your communist society won't let them be themselves and isolate them instead. Yeah, being a racist douche is probably stupid, but I'm not going to hang someone for having a stupid opinion, because that's what nazis would do, and I'm not a nazi, are you?

This is why all of these options were created, because blizzard knew that not everyone will get along, because there are different people in this world, from different walks of life. For some reason, people deem it some sort of privilege to demand tyranny for people they dislike, when, they themselves, can take care of that issue. These types of people already have rules they need to follow, so they're already being isolated, but YOU, and YOUR TYPE OF PEOPLE, always demand MORE, because you think you're SPECIAL, and you're right! you are special! you don't know how to use the ignore function efficiently.

it. It is in this servers best interest to create a community that people want to stay in. / They are doing their job, this is their community and they do with me as they please.

No ****, they have done their job, what do you want? you say it yourself, they are doing their job, so what the hell do you want from them?

You on the other hand act ENTITLED to act however you want on a private platform that wants to make money.

I'm actually super entitled to act however I want. That is the spice of life and the reason most people enjoy their lives. Should I act in a way that you deem okay? **** no. Your view of society is different from mine, and it will always be different, because you've been toxicated with all these rules, and have been taught that YOU are accountable of enforcing these rules on others, or they simply don't belong. No. People will do as they please, and it's a good thing, but it creates different types of groups which we can compare ourselves to, and decide whether it would be appropriate to be around. You have a CHOICE in life, as they do, so USE IT, and act on the IGNORE FUNCTION.

"they don't need to hand hold ADULTS who can solve their own problems." - It's too bad u dont like the rules man, generally teenagers have a rough time understanding authority or how enterprises work. This is quite literally their job, if you dont like it then you dont like the rules of this server, too bad i guess.

I uphold the rules, and I get to act the way I feel like, cause guess what? I'm not here to dictate how people should think or what people should say. Yeah, I don't have to like it, but I also don't have to read it, and this game, with all it's glory, has given me the tools and the function, to make that decision. I have zero problem with stupid people, but I don't have to read what they say. Do you realize you have the same choice? or are you a spurge who chooses to be angry all the time about things people say to intentionally fire you up? congratulations, you fell into their trap, and you're acting the way they want you to. They are probably looking at this thread and laughing at you, because THEY KNOW, believe it or not, BUT THEY KNOW, the IGNORE FUNCTION EXISTS, but you, and people like you, LOVE to get outraged, because that is your addiction. Your society has TAUGHT YOU to be outraged, like a little child, instead of a calm, collected, and self sustaining adult. This? is your problem, that you can fix on your own, while they continue to combat it in the background. I can understand this, but people like you can't. As much as I despise these GMs for their most recent rule changes, I KNOW they're doing their job, so I don't have to worry about racists running rampant for long, cause in the end, they will be banned, but I don't have to hear about it, or care about it, because the system works. Get it through your SICK head and stop being outraged over things in your control. You're your own problem.

The most annoying part of all this? you're discreditting their effort, so start reporting these people and shut the hell up. Do your part, so they can do theirs.

I tell racist players something like "Hey I'm black so you leave me alone!" then printscreen their *** going full on racist, and get them banned.

Like this person.

[Aoto]

^ *Applause*

Seriously, if it bothers you enough to where you cant tune it out, there's plenty of options available to you, including...

1. Use the Ignore option
2. Report them so the Mods can review it
3. Leave Global for a bit

[RobertBlake]

Wish they would just take this post down. People are here to kill time and enjoys others company. Take a S/S report it and move on.

[harrpaniz1]

You're mistaking this place of entertainment and freedom of expression, to an already established workplace, with forced rules, based on their sponsors/partners, who also look to an artificial NORM because they want to rationalize control over every aspect of a person.

For some reason, people deem it some sort of privilege to demand tyranny for people they dislike, when, they themselves, can take care of that issue. These types of people already have rules they need to follow, so they're already being isolated, but YOU, and YOUR TYPE OF PEOPLE, always demand MORE, because you think you're SPECIAL, and you're right! you are special! you don't know how to use the ignore function efficiently.



No ****, they have done their job, what do you want? you say it yourself, they are doing their job, so what the hell do you want from them?


No. People will do as they please, and it's a good thing, but it creates different types of groups which we can compare ourselves to, and decide whether it would be appropriate to be around. You have a CHOICE in life, as they do, so USE IT, and act on the IGNORE FUNCTION.



I uphold the rules, and I get to act the way I feel like, cause guess what?

First of all, you are delusional if you think freedom of speech and freedom of expression applies between private entities and persons. Freedom of expression is between a person and a government, nothing else. There is no freedom of expression here, there are rules, just like at a workplace based on social norms. What do you think rules are based on if not morals and ethics my mans?

Second of all, tyranny is opressive government rule. This is, once again not a government. Calling rules in a video game tyranny is the most hilariously edgy thing i've heard in a very long time. You seem to think that i and "people like me" instate the rules, but this server makes money by catering to the biggest audience possible and the biggest audience possible doesn't wanna be around overtly racist people. This server also has rules against hacking because it's in their best interest to ban those people, the audience simply doesnt wanna be around hackers.

Take a breath my guy, I don't want them to do anything but their job. Ban the racists and be done with it. You're the one arguing anything other than the rules, not me. I just want these rulebreaking rulebreakers banned like they should be, and they seem to be.

You argue about freedom but then you tell me what is a good thing and what is a bad thing. Im very uninterested in your opinion about the ignore feature, my facts dont care about your feelings and the facts are that it is against the rules to be racist on this server. You can ignore people, i prefer when people dont break the rules so i wont ignore anyone and report every instance of racism i see, sorry cupcake.

I don't think you uphold a lot of things and if you act a certain way you might get banned. This isn't a soapbox, it's an online game hosted by a private company.

Damn man, you just told me to shut the hell up, This is literally tyranny and you are breaking free speech right now, im on my way to the UN to figure out if invasion is needed. See you at the security council.

[angrylol]

I guess it went over your head, but he was saying that you should report it and let GMs do their job, instead of screeching about 12 year old edgelords saying racist things. You see a turd, then if you choose to step in it - don't loose your crap, you did that to yourself.

[harrpaniz1]

I guess it went over your head, but he was saying that you should report it and let GMs do their job, instead of screeching about 12 year old edgelords saying racist things. You see a turd, then if you choose to step in it - don't loose your crap, you did that to yourself.

Who is losing their ****? All i see is people ranting and raving about free speech crying about sjws, the people who dont like racism are doing the exact thing you're talking about. Such a strange strawman when anyone with 2 eyes can read the thread, nobody is arguing for anything but racists getting banned, which they are. Sorry you misunderstood the thread man.

[angrylol]

No no, point is that people have talked crap since dawn of time and will do so till the end. There are not enough bans in whole eternity to eliminate it, just do your little part if it truly bothers you. So. Being outraged because people talk crap is really stupid idea.

[Valestia]

Such a strange strawman when anyone with 2 eyes can read the thread

The Thread.

Do you feel it is a safe environment?

Nothing was taken out of context. I responded to a person who was legitimately asking if people feel safe around ramblers who want to be banned. I just answered it thoroughly, so the person understands there's actually nothing to be afraid of, because we have functions to help us feel safe.

I ignored the rest of your crap, because it's my choice and I get to use my own ignore function. Isn't it great? I know!

No no, point is that people have talked crap since dawn of time and will do so till the end. There are not enough bans in whole eternity to eliminate it, just do your little part if it truly bothers you. So. Being outraged because people talk crap is really stupid idea.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Thornbyy]

I know a lot of you may disagree with me but I believe that bans should be for harassment and spam , not racism .
Now I am against all types of harassment and unwanted spams on the glob chat , but racially offensive and toxic conversations and statements can be justified or excused in certain situations and context .

And for the record , guilds are the private communities of the players , they may decide to enforce rules that may not match with server or with the world outside or even with the common sense .

Please dont get angry over it , thats just my opinion it may be wrong .

[Shadereaper]

Racism is so 1887

[Disktrasa]

I know a lot of you may disagree with me but I believe that bans should be for harassment and spam , not racism .

Many people of color who I personally asked are just fine with "Racist jokes" because they are jokes not racism. 1 Friend of mine who was darker then the night (meanwhile I'm whiter then snow) said racism is when someone would personally insult him because he was black or use racist slurs because hes black.
Meanwhile in my country calling someone "black" or even "african" due to their skin color is extremely racist, we say "colored".

Morals are formed out of a person’s values, and these values are the foundation of a person’s ability to discern between right and wrong, and values changes a lot from person to person.

Therefore Warmanes rules:
Racism/Discriminatory Behavior: Avoid at all costs, insulting someone's country, culture, lifestyle or skincolor. Even if you are just "joking" it isn't allowed. Slangs such as the n-word aren't allowed either, even in Guild chat. Don't blame guildies for reporting you. It's wrong and you should know that.

[Valestia]

Many people of color who I personally asked are just fine with "Racist jokes" because they are jokes not racism. 1 Friend of mine who was darker then the night (meanwhile I'm whiter then snow) said racism is when someone would personally insult him because he was black or use racist slurs because hes black.
Meanwhile in my country calling someone "black" or even "african" due to their skin color is extremely racist, we say "colored".

Morals are formed out of a person’s values, and these values are the foundation of a person’s ability to discern between right and wrong, and values changes a lot from person to person.

Therefore Warmanes rules:
Racism/Discriminatory Behavior: Avoid at all costs, insulting someone's country, culture, lifestyle or skincolor. Even if you are just "joking" it isn't allowed. Slangs such as the n-word aren't allowed either, even in Guild chat. Don't blame guildies for reporting you. It's wrong and you should know that.

See, I'm pretty sure everyone over the age of 10, knows this rule. Nothing more needs to be done here. Everyone just has to accept what already is, instead of trying to lock us down because they don't like it. I don't like stupid questions, but I wouldn't move to ban anyone asking one. That's what this is all about. More rules, more control, when there doesn't need to be, because it's already in a controlled space.

I'm gonna say it again, this discredits the already overly critical mods/GMs who try to sniff this stuff out daily. It's insulting to them. You have to remember, these are the guys who ban people for "ninja looting" in REGULAR dungeons.

[Amdus]

I tell racist players something like "Hey I'm black so you leave me alone!" then printscreen their *** going full on racist, and get them banned.

Many people do this, that's why I think this rule should be revisited. Maybe making racist statements aimed in general should be punished instead of saying it to someone personally. I can larp as any race and bait someone to get a ban any time of the day.