Frost DK PvP Guide Wotlk 3.3.5a

[Zergy]

Quick question, what makes Obliterate "bad" in PVP, besides the obvious removal of plagues.

wasting 1glyph, 6talents for just obli

[Black2ck]

wasting 1glyph, 6talents for just obli

Well. You need only 3 points in annihilation to make obliterate viable.
The ability shouldn't be used in the default rotation as most opponent teams are able to dispell your disease.
However, if you are going for a kill on low armor targets such as disc priest it's worth to use obliterate to finish them off.

[Silversleep]

Should I use the Ashen ring for tanking or for Frost DPS?
If I use the Ashen ring for tanking is Skeleton Lord's Circle the next best ring for Frost DPS?

[Zergy]

Should I use the Ashen ring for tanking or for Frost DPS?
If I use the Ashen ring for tanking is Skeleton Lord's Circle the next best ring for Frost DPS?

No u shouldnt use tanking ring if possible and yes it should still be best choise cuz arp is just useless for this build

Well. You need only 3 points in annihilation to make obliterate viable.
The ability shouldn't be used in the default rotation as most opponent teams are able to dispell your disease.
However, if you are going for a kill on low armor targets such as disc priest it's worth to use obliterate to finish them off.

and if u gonna go obliterate u need 3points in subversion too (so u wasted 3% dmg reduction from blade barrier - more resil needed=less dmg) in blood talent tier so in the end u wasted 6talents

frost strike will be still ur main source of dmg and putting 6talents into deff talents and going less resil and more str for frost strike is what makes this build best

and howling does higher dmg than obli and chain+plague u gonna need to spam vs dispelers anyway

[Black2ck]

and if u gonna go obliterate u need 3points in subversion too (so u wasted 3% dmg reduction from blade barrier - more resil needed=less dmg) in blood talent tier so in the end u wasted 6talents

All you need is 3points in annihilation. That alone makes obliterate viable against clothies.

You are able to deal significant more burst dmg in a small time window:
x4 FS --> x2 Obli --> https://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=47568 --> x2 Obli --> x4 FS
When double DV and https://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=51271 are up that burst comb destroys any lock, mage or disc in a matter of seconds. With out obliterate you just don't have this pressure.

[cruelOBluhm]

No u shouldnt use tanking ring if possible and yes it should still be best choise cuz arp is just useless for this build



and if u gonna go obliterate u need 3points in subversion too (so u wasted 3% dmg reduction from blade barrier - more resil needed=less dmg) in blood talent tier so in the end u wasted 6talents

frost strike will be still ur main source of dmg and putting 6talents into deff talents and going less resil and more str for frost strike is what makes this build best

and howling does higher dmg than obli and chain+plague u gonna need to spam vs dispelers anyway

And what about about this https://wotlkdb.com/?talent#j0EhZG0etVrczbucuzAoc:0kN. Chilblains is not a good talent ? Ok chains slows, but don't give dmg. And this will not be a good choice to keep enemies closer ?

[Neozera]

Is this still a valid guide today? Thinking about a Frost DK

[Zergy]

All you need is 3points in annihilation. That alone makes obliterate viable against clothies.

and then u would have to take subversion for 9% obli crit coz why wouldnt you - that means 3less points in blade barrier -> -3% dmg reduction
see its not just 3talents

[Black2ck]

and then u would have to take subversion for 9% obli crit coz why wouldnt you - that means 3less points in blade barrier -> -3% dmg reduction
see its not just 3talents

It's optional. Obli is also viable w/o that talent.
You should ask yourself: Why would you use PS and Chain on a clothy who's almost dead when you can use Obli instead? Obli regenerates more RP inbetween one GCD and it deals more dmg, unless the target wears plate.
If you want a build which is exclusively against Awarr/Hpala then sure, get rid of Annihilation. But against almost any other setup it's worth using Obli in bursting phases.

[Zergy]

It's optional. Obli is also viable w/o that talent.
You should ask yourself: Why would you use PS and Chain on a clothy who's almost dead when you can use Obli instead? Obli regenerates more RP inbetween one GCD and it deals more dmg, unless the target wears plate.
If you want a build which is exclusively against Awarr/Hpala then sure, get rid of Annihilation. But against almost any other setup it's worth using Obli in bursting phases.

Obli does regenerate 20RP
Chains+plague regenerate 20+10RP

Frost strike is ur main source of dmg and by using obli ur losing runic power Obli is literally good just as 1gcd burst vs clothes and if it never crit its not that big burst either

I think HB+frost strikes is good burst at its own, frost needs survivability and by taking annihilation u cant take those talents