Hello, id like to ask some things regarding loot distribution
Are items with Spirit prioritised to Heals? For example Archus , if both healer and dps rolled for it(rdruid,mage,warlock), who should get it in prio?rdruid or dpser since as i know spirit items considered as healer items.
Next case when Oathbrinder drops,some pallas roll for it but it has mostly arm pen that they almost do not contribute from and less agility than Bloodfall for example. Should it go to Hunter/Cat or it will cause me getting reported for ninja looting? Considering my experience Oathbrinder isnt pala item such as DBW.
Same with tiny abomination it goes for pala/encha/assarogue and if fwar rolls for it and wins, should he get it?
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Rolling Items Question
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What loot distribution system are you doing? Is it BIS>MS>OS?
Before the raid starts, it's advisable to state clearly in raid warning/raid chat
Oathbinder HC is the 2nd best weapon after Shadowmourne for Ret paladins
The rationale is mainly weapon damage + slower swing speed over Bloodfall
*Also* its misinformation that ARP doesn't contribute to Ret damage, wait till you hear about 7% hit rating set up with Frostbrood Sapphire Ring.
Tiny Abo HC is definitely not for Fury warriors because they want to end up with DBW and STS.
End of the day you're the raid leader and you should define your loot system clearly to your PUG group to cover these gray areas.
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From the answers I saw from mods over time, yeah anyone can report you for anything correct way and if the person who reads that ticket is a clueless one, gz, you get banned. After that you can try to submit ban appeals which may clear your ban or not. Make sure to inform people before raid starts about rules and take ss es.
Btw, oath (hc) is actually bis for palas until they get sm, though its not the case here I think. Dont give normal version to palas if a hunter/cat needs :D. (And dont give sts "normal" aswell, they have solid alternatives "wfs/dc", which is way better until they can get heroic sts.)
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Im talking mostly about normal version of items rn, about palas its understandable ok,ik it goes somewhat like Oath(hc)>bloodfall(hc)>oath(nm),but about spirit items?
I want to know if spirit items is ms for healers only or both healers and dps? If any dps won spirit item and healer rolled for it aswell(rdru,dpriest mainly not talking about rshammy,hpala),should it go to healer or dps? To prevent ninja looting.
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I'd like to do BIS>MS>OS ,but how do i announce bis and prio lists?As i saw in posts some moderator called Obnoxious said thats its not eligible to post bis lists via discord,spreadsheets link, image link,etc,but how then im supposed to post bis lists??? There is no official warmane bis list for it,making it almost impossible to announce bis list.If you are experienced raider and had experience with raid leading pugs,how do u announce bis>ms>os
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And then the pala reports you for not letting him roll.
Leading raids is rolling the dice on a ban.
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Its not the same case as with not letting warriors roll on toskk/aldriana. Pala isnt a agi class (even if some weirdos call themselves as "agi paladin" just to steal some pieces ie; marro feet etc.), they may get you banned but that ban will be lifted.
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What's with this misinformation?
Also, Frostbitten Fur Boots isn't part of it, we still use Apocalypse's Advance for that slot.
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Yet Fury Warrior can roll need on that trinket, as ****ty as it is for them. Unless denied in raid rules.
That's a quick way to get ninja bans as well. Warrior could even need DC/DV as MS, all elitists* would scream for how it's "better" for DK/Paladin. Doesn't mean it's useless for Warriors.. Deny the Warrior's roll on the spot when it wasn't denied in the beginning, see who gets the ban.
*or those with common knowledge, but general ninja rules > common sense.
The idea denying the discord, images and whatnot is probably due to a) security issues b) keeping it within the game [screenshot purposes] c) **** can be edited by both ends.
You should stop considering BiS items being some Holy Grail which can only be touched by the purest of them all. They are items, for some they are the end goal, for some they are simple upgrades that are eventually replaced, if ever given the chance to. Gotta stick with 264 bracers when you're never allowed to roll on 277's, and you don't have access to 284's (funny if it's because of low "GS"). Kinda goes to show why some people get raid ninja bans, because they are gatekeeping (non-)BiS items only for the few lucky ones.
Warrior isn't agi class either. It's STR, as much as DK's and Paladins.
Some weirdo agiladins do more DPS than strenadins. There's even a gear guide for agiladin. If Warriors/DK's are allowed to roll on leather, why would you say Paladins all of a sudden aren't. Double standards as long as they benefit the ones chasing the items?
The problem is if plate (DPS) classes are OK'd to roll on leather, why it's not OK'd for other classes/specs. Plate, mail, and leather casters rolling on Priests', Mages', Warlocks' cloth items, but cloth users are stuck with cloth? Not exactly fair now is it.
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Raid with guilds only. PUG is cancer bait that will bite your head off, if you try to play it by common sense. Reject complexity, praise simplicity!
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[QUOTE=OhieMitzen;3220104]Yet Fury Warrior can roll need on that trinket, as ****ty as it is for them. Unless denied in raid rules.
That's a quick way to get ninja bans as well. Warrior could even need DC/DV as MS, all elitists* would scream for how it's "better" for DK/Paladin. Doesn't mean it's useless for Warriors.. Deny the Warrior's roll on the spot when it wasn't denied in the beginning, see who gets the ban.
*or those with common knowledge, but general ninja rules > common sense.
That wasnt about dc at all, it was about sts, will get you banned for denying UNLESS you inform rets before raid begins. While sts normal is prebis for all arp users, its mediocore for rets.
The idea denying the discord, images and whatnot is probably due to a) security issues b) keeping it within the game [screenshot purposes] c) **** can be edited by both ends.
You should stop considering BiS items being some Holy Grail which can only be touched by the purest of them all. They are items, for some they are the end goal, for some they are simple upgrades that are eventually replaced, if ever given the chance to. Gotta stick with 264 bracers when you're never allowed to roll on 277's, and you don't have access to 284's (funny if it's because of low "GS"). Kinda goes to show why some people get raid ninja bans, because they are gatekeeping (non-)BiS items only for the few lucky ones.
Warrior isn't agi class either. It's STR, as much as DK's and Paladins.
Some weirdo agiladins do more DPS than strenadins. There's even a gear guide for agiladin. If Warriors/DK's are allowed to roll on leather, why would you say Paladins all of a sudden aren't. Double standards as long as they benefit the ones chasing the items?
Some weirdo meme "agi paladins" will NEVER do more dps than regular paladins with mixed/BiS gear, some noobs tried to seperate paladins by calling them as agi paladins/str paladins while the BiS contained both armor types.
And no, I didnt claim warrior to be a agi class, point was strictly about some pieces that happen to be agi. Retri can roll pp belt which is agi aswell, but from lk they have solid alternative as Gloren, its not the same deal. That ban wont happen/stay even if you dont inform.
About bis mentality I wont even argue, I support it, rather give it to people who will keep it than giving it to some people who will eventually trash it, if they goal is is not endgame, its your problem.
Note: Everyone knows that not informing from the beginning can get you banned but that was already mentioned.
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Misinformation how? Agi paladin uses only main pieces from str and rest on agi, oh you are thinking "regular" build is agi build aswell :D?
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Saw some post of some RDPS getting banned for rolling surgeon needle in POS , why dps cant roll for it then,if wars and palas have right to roll for agi items.
It has mana regen that is mainly healer stat,but it goes on rdps aswell,why not? in low gear you wont have much mana and it gives you benefits aswell! you could use for example life tap less times and etc. This means spirit items is MS for any RDPS too,since they contribute from spirit in any way , even if much less than healers?
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Things to keep in mind when you "see some post": people who come to the Forum complain about a ban are assuming what item got them banned, it could have been something else, reported days before, since the ban won't specify which item the ban was about; also, they aren't all necessarily telling the whole story of what happened, it isn't rare for what's in a post and what was reported with evidence to tell a whole different story.
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Still nobody answered to the main question,are spirit items go to healers first by ms and only then to rdps or they are equal?
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