I've been a member of warmane for a few years now and have played on Icecrown the entire time. I have leveled several toons and played with several guilds on both horde and alliance. However there are going to be issues with every server and this one is no different but there are a few that stand out and really bad.
1) Bots / scammers.
These two are tied for complete scum. The bots simply take up spaces on the server, clogging up the que plus inflate the warmane rates so it appears there appears to be more players than there actually are. The take resorces like herbs from players and ruin the over all experience for everyone, while the scammers are even lower. These scum bags steal from the community. The most well known of these scumbags is a guy who keeps changing his name and class. However, he is always level 19 and spams "500 coins CHEAP!" He is selling coins for real money and has a screen shots to prove it. These are photoshop. The dates do not add up, the UI is wrong, and the Operating system he is using is a old MAC OS that cannot support warmane. He has been banned multiple times but keeps coming back. The admins refuse to IP ban him.
2) buying toons / gear = GS inflation.
This is both a pro and a con, but in my opinion it's more of a con. It's a pro because you can spend 1 year farming that hard to get item and never win, so spend some money and just buy it! you finally have the item you wanted! and trust me, I get it! I have donated and bought things too. But on the flip side, you buy a toon or a some gear for a fresh 80. Now you can join some raids and skip the RDF grind, but you don't know how to play that toon and skip the basic tatics and end up dead more often than not. I am aware that everyone will had a bad day and screw up here and there, it happens. but PUGS has a bad rep for a reason. too many people buy gear and that causes the good players to have increase the GS limits on pugs. Now those who just wanted to raid can't any more because the GS ratio is too high for them.
3) Multiboxers.
If you have more than account, it's fine. I have 2 accounts myself. I have logged and played both accounts at once to boost myself, according to warmane rules there is nothing wrong with this. The problem is when there a player with 5 accounts active at once, 4 of them are botted to one account and when the main account attacks, all of them attack. This becomes a major problem in PVP, How is someone supposed to survive 5 shadow word pains at once? It's really difficult and these players SHOULD be banned for botting. But it's within warmane rules, so it slides by.
I wont lie, this is mostly a rant, my own opinion on warmanes problems. I doubt a GM or admin will see this or anyone will do anything about it. I hope I'm wrong, but in the end, warmane has survived for 10 years and was almost shutdown. If they can survive that, the will survive the multitude of problems on warmane, but the scumbags who inflate the log que and steal from other players, the bots who sneak under the radar, the multiboxers who are allowed to PVP at will and make the game not enjoyable. It's not fun. And again, I hope this gets fixed, but I doubt it.
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The top 3 biggest problems
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Overwatcher
This shows you have no idea how IPs work.
This is something that happened on retail as well. It isn't about there being gear or characters to get with Coins, but about PuGs wanting to succeed by being extremely overgeared. If what you say was true, people who show they have the knowledge of the fights would be accepted with weaker gear, but that isn't what happens.
You aren't. You're supposed to flee, just like you would if those were five different players. That's the very root of most complains about multiboxing: people want to treat them as one player and so expect to be able to beat them like they might if it was one player.
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Member
I had a rough idea on how IPs work but I looked into it a little more. Looking closer into why the IP ban never happened, it is more challenging that I first thought, and for no fault of the admins. I know the GMs are working to get rid of him, I see his name change once a month after the bot ban wave, He is like a roach, doesn't matter how many times you get rid of him, he will come back. and I guess the same thing goes for the bots, the GMs can't just log into and auto ban a bot because what if it's a player who just happens to AFK in the bots path.
The bots and scammers on this server seem to be an issue with few GOOD solutions.
I am aware, and I even said that I bought stuff myself, I don't 100% blame buying the gear for this issue, I blame the lack of player knowledge. Which has NOTHING to do with warmane! There was extremely helpful people on this server, many guides have been written and published by the players to ensure that other can benefit from their research. These guides are even listed and pinned in the warmane forums. you have to scroll down to find what you are looking for. I even said in the original post that buying gear can be a good thing, it eliminates farming when you don't have time, or have REALLY bad luck.
This is of a frustration issue than anything for me, it's not that too many people paid for their gear, it's that too many people are simply ignoring the basic tatics. Either because the raid lead didn't remind them, they simply didn't know the tatics, or, they chose to ignore them. I have no way of knowing.
I get that you are supposed to run from the multiboxers, and I understand why people do it. It's a way to be safer in a high PVP areas, If i see 1 guy farming, I fight him and move, but if I see 5 guys in the same spot, I'm moving on. The multiboxing problem, I will admit, I've been seeing less and less of, I see about 1 guy a week who is doing it and it's mainly on the TOC daily quest area.
As I stated originally this was mostly a rant, I am glad to see that someone did see this and more and started a conversation around it. Warmane does have problems, every server does. there is no avoiding it, However, there is work that can be done to improve the server, what that work is, I don't know, but the players can find the problems, report them, and if they report them to a forum like this, maybe, just maybe, a solution can be found to fix the problem, or at least, make it better.Edited: June 12, 2024
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Overwatcher
I'm glad you took my comment on this part as a reason to dig deeper and find out why I said that. It's really, really uncommon nowadays. Not that I expect it to mean anything, but I'm proud of you and this isn't said in a condescending way.
But yes, banning his IP would be meaningless. Unless for some bizarre reason he was on a static IP, all it would take is restarting his modem to get a new IP (and if another, innocent user using the same ISP landed by chance on that IP, they would get flagged as banned). Banning his whole ISP could "solve" it, but then no one using that same service would get to play with us, and he could just use a cheap secondary ISP to do his advertising.
Even retail to this day has issues with bots, and there they have a subscription. Here you can just create a dummy account in two minutes, so what makes us approachable also makes us exploitable on that sort of thing, unfortunately.
I get that there being a Coin shop for gear and the possibility to get characters from Trade can make the situation worse, but the root of the problem is elsewhere, yeah.
There seems to be a very strong unwillingness on both sides of it: on one, there are people completely unwilling to learn to do anything, they want to just be able to click and press keys and have everything get solved before their eyes, not caring about watching a video to see what mechanics are in a fight and how to deal with them, or listen to anyone trying to explain; on the other, the number of people who care to explain and teach others has dwindled immensely, everyone expects everyone to know everything there is to be known and not make mistakes, there's no leeway or patience even with the ones who want to listen and learn how to do stuff properly.
This is another thing I don't see any solution happening. It would take players changing how they are when playing the game, and that's not very likely. Skipping learning your class by trading Coins for gear or a max level character does influence this, making the first side able to jump to the end of the race without any preparation, and the other to blame the ridiculous requirements to join their raids on it, but the problem would still exist even without any Coins involved.
The issue is bigger than that, and many use multiboxing as a way to "safe grief" within the rules. But it is what it is, it's allowed in our servers, so something players need to learn to live with, just like regular ganking in a PvP server. Too many people just prefer to complain they can't beat a multiboxer solo, instead of doing the rational thing and staying away.
Players can report what they perceive as problems, naturally. They have to be ready to be met with counterpoints and be told what they consider a problem to be normal for the server and what we want to offer, though. While the server doesn't exist without players, paraphrasing a developer in a recent statement, a server for everyone is a server for no one. We have to make calls that certain players won't like for the sake of keeping our servers alive and sustainable.
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Member
How do you even 'win' in pve? Please explain. Buying pvp gear with money is, im my opinion, gay. It's pay to win because pvp is basically endless with seasons. But in PVE, you finish the moment you get the best gear, so what's the point of people buying full BiS and raiding for nothing?
And to the 'gs inflation' point you proposed. It literally doesn;t matter. Assuming a person buys one BiS item or full, he's still going to do the same **** he did before. As for toons, you maybe have a point. But for a person who knows how to play all classes on all specs, leveling and doing class quests is boring (looking at you shaman) so I skip the whole boring fiasco and go straight to whatever I want to do at 80. Not to mention people sell toons with really cool names that are unavailable at creation, so there is that too.Edited: June 14, 2024
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Member
There's getting BiS, and then there are other goals. Maybe someone wants achievments.
Maybe they want to see what they can solo, like os10 final boss
Maybe they want to just quest. WoW is like lego's. You make your own fun or you do something else.
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Few words, big impacts. All true : "The problem is when there a player with 5 accounts active at once, 4 of them are botted to one account and when the main account attacks, all of them attack. This becomes a major problem in PVP, How is someone supposed to survive 5 shadow word pains at once? It's really difficult and these players SHOULD be banned for botting. But it's within warmane rules, so it slides by.".
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