just another post to not let the topic die.
the blackrock merger was one of the worst possible things that could have happened to pvp players on this server and everyone who doesn't play on blackrock knows that.
i won't argue why because it is obvious to everyone who objectively thinks about it for one second.
warmane, you better address this soon or onyxia pvp will be dead for another year.
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yet another blackrock post
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I love TBC PVE, and TBC PVP. On this project. it seems to make zero sense to do both on one char, which saddens me. maybe later on the gear gap won't be so glaring, but currently it makes zero sense to arena on an Onyxia char.
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That was terrible idea what they was doing
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That's right, we need to stir up this topic so that it is not forgotten, all they do is ignore it, and think that everyone will cry and forget. but No, until it is resolved, I will not stall.
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makes me absolutely furious. i was waiting for pvp in tbc but this makes it completely pointless. please revert this somehow.
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They are also abusing their AB PvP quest by letting eachother cap 5 bases and then go AFK in mountains...
Edited: November 27, 2024
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the positive point is that we have instant queue all day with blackrock and competitive players. As the players on blackrock are here to pvp, it is good in bgs to see skilled people knowing how to play. i have had good times last days.
But i think the gear blackrock player get instantly is too much powerful like the netherflame robe for caster is just cheated lol.
https://tbc.cavernoftime.com/item=30459
and this robe is not available on onyxia. The pattern seems to no exist. To be fair with onyxia players, i would love to see at least the pattern drop in onyxia realm.Edited: November 27, 2024
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Their "skill" is what I wrote in reply above - wintrading in essence.
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Everybody was against this and they implemented it anyway.
Worked out exactly as predicted with dead pvp on Onyxia.
So thank you, warmane
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It makes sense to go on onyxia even if you wanna pvp tho
- If you wanna enjoy pve progress then obviously you can't go on blackrock
- If you wanna be advantaged in arenas and you have time to invest you should go on onyxia because you can have profs while it is not available at all on blackrock, engi belt and bs mace are obviously goated, enchant rings are also pretty good, also people prepared for tbc had one bonus arena flush
- You will need less time to invest weekly on onyxia, ye I know you guys arent ready to hear this one out, but the raid quests on blackrock are insanely long to do, basically its 30hrs of bgs / arenas while it takes around 5hrs to do the 3 raids normally
So basically with blackrock the only advantage is skipping pexing, and getting a decent starter gear to bg (its blue ilvl 100 gear basically) which I agree they could nerf a bit but tbh who gives a **** about starting gear to bgs ? Just Q in grey if you want and just farm your prebis
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it's not only about starting gear. it's about gems, enchants, hc gear and raid gear.
it might take a while do complete quests on blackrock but they earn marks and honor while doing so, which isn't the case for onyxia players who do hc or raids. also, many players on onyxia who are mainly interested in pvp don't raid on a regular basis for several reasons. they might not be in raiding guilds, have time zones where it's hard to find raid groups, etc. pretending clearing kara is a 3h time investment for the average ony player is just not correct.
if there would only be the issue of starting gear, this would be resolved pretty fast and onyxia and blackrock players would be on the same level (gearwise). buut this is not the case as anyone who does bgs and arenas must have noticed. having a full ony group vs a full blackrock group in bgs is an auto loss unless the ony group is a premade.
if people on blackrock are oh so competitive, they should be against the merger aswell because farming low geared people shouldn't be satisfying for a truly competitive minded player.
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well, they did the same with the hk based ranking system in vanilla. implemented a bad system, ignored all complaints, had a dead pvp scene.
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i'd trade queue time for enjoyable bgs without a second thought. i also doubt that queue times for onyxia only would be too bad.
merging the servers in a few months in case onyxia actually struggles hard with queue times would be a whole different story but merging them from start was just not necessary.
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Ye it is true we dont have to farm gold either to get gems and enchants but I guess you can just spend a few bucks on ony and get them anyways, thats what pvp players have always done on blizzlike servers to be honest. Also ye ofc we want a competitive environment, which is why they need to give us profs as well as currently we are at a disadvantage in arenas, and bgs I dont really care about, matter of fact when blackrock launched we were grouped with and against many players from onyxia in full preset gear bcs they had all their honor from the prepatch stored and we didnt really care, you do 40 bgs and you have all your pvp gear basically anyways. I think most of us would be fine starting in the lvl 1 grey gear if they made the raid gear easier to get in exchange for example
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Blackrock as a concept isn't completely terrible. I myself hated the idea when it was announced, and raised concern against going through with such project, in fear of it ruining the Onyxia pvp experience.
Yet, after arena season started, it seems that onyxia indeed has a low PVP population. Even right now, when i spam Solo q, i am mainly matched with Blackrock players. It seems that onyxia players are just not interested in arena or PVP in general.
However, the Blackrock gearing situation needs to be fixed ASAP. The players on Blackrock can easily get BIS items, im already being matched against players with full of Gruul / kara / mag epics, and badge of justice items like the trinket and neck. Blackrock PVE items are too OP and the drop rate needs to be NERFED a lot.
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