Here's the context: I'm on my mage in an rdf Botanica group with the following Classes: A Shaman, A Druid, A Paladin, and a Rogue.
Here's the Situation: A Blade of Wizardry Drops, It's one of the best weapons a dps caster can use. With the intention of equipping the obviously massive upgrade I roll need, to which the group full of people who can't use it or roll need on it (Except for the prot pally who the item isn't optimized for) complain. Following the complaints the prot pally rolls need winning the item which he then hosts a re roll for everyone but me and gives the item to the shaman who will inevitably just sell the sword.
Here are my issues with the Situation:
My main problem is the way the group circumvented an intentionally placed game mechanic to turn a profit off my huge gear upgrade. Remember how I said there was only two people eligible to roll need? That entire roll system that blizzard or Warmane implemented was completely circumvented by a Protection Paladin who doesn't need the sword ninja looting it from me and rewarding a different player with an item he was never eligible to roll need on. Surely that has to be some form of rule breaking.
For my second point id like to help you see it from my perspective so I'll use an analogy. You're in a dungeon, One of your best pieces of gear drops and someone else who won't use it wins the roll. He disenchants the item and lists the reagents on the auction house to make money. The only key difference between that analogy and what happened to me is that the person who won the roll made a lot more gold then you would off of a DE, But does the amount of gold earned give him the right to sell my upgrades and circumvent the need greed system?
My third issue is that If the Blade of Wizardry was Bind on Pickup and a prot paladin had rolled need on it taking it over a Mage it would almost certainly be classified as Ninja Looting, are we making an exception to that because it's BoE and he can sell it for gold? Because that brings me right back to my first point. If someone who doesn't need your upgrades takes it when they can't / won't use it and then sells it that is a Ninja Loot.
I'd like to debunk 2 Argument's I'm certain someone will comment to save us both the time
"You could argue that the player who received the sword will sell it for gold to also upgrade his character so in a way it's an upgrade for him to"
Regardless of how he spends the gold he gets from the Sword or even if he mails it to an alt for use, it's an ill-gotten gain. A Group of players worked in tandem to go around the Need loot restrictions Warmane has left or put in place, and I'm now out of a very powerful sword that I need, and that only I in the group was qualified to use properly.
"Well everyone knows it's common courtesy to roll greed on BoE items"
If Warmane wanted everyone to have a chance at dropped BoE items they would remove the Need Restrictions from all BoE items so everyone could roll need and have an equal chance of winning the BoE item, The Need Restriction has been left on BoE items because Warmane finds it necessary.
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Member
Was this a Ninja Loot? or am I coping?
Edited: December 16, 2024
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Forum Veteran
Prot Paladin had no place to roll need on it. If you have screenshots, make a ninja report in-game.
Reporting Players [Updated: May 22, 2020]
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Member
I appreciate your validation, I hope the read didn't come off too angry or whiney. I was pretty upset at the time of writing this. I do have 2 screenshots which I'll try adding the Imgur Links to in the original post. I have already made an in game report providing both unedited screenshots I took, However all I got as a reply was that the players involved would be investigated. I really hope they plan on somehow giving me a follow up on the situation when progress is made on their investigation.
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Forum Veteran
Remove the screenshot links from the forum post.
There's no follow ups. You usually get one of three replies: "Action has been taken", "lack of evidence/directed to forums to see how reports are made", "Players will be investigated". No matter which response you get, no further messages will be sent to you on that subject.
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Member
Moderator beat me to removing the links. Oops.
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Member
So is there a chance the Item I was ninjad will be given to me or is this a situation where they'll just ban the ninja looter? Curious if there's any protocol I can learn about since I want to know whats gonna happen and they won't do a follow up
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Member
You dont get item back
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Member
Seems like a mis management of the situation hopefully they at least take the item from them
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Forum Veteran
Items aren't taken away from them.
They get a ban on their record, and lose 0.5 daily points as their accounts aren't in good standing for a year.
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Member
So I get no confirmation on if any actions were took against my wrong doers, I don't get my item that was wrongfully taken, and even if they do take action against my wrong doers he loses his account for what 48 hours but still gets to sell the item for 1500g which is more then most players can make in 48 hours. So to him it's probably still worth it. That's a really nice rewarding system, that I will not be investing my time into again.
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Forum Veteran
There have always been ninjas and there will always be. It must be nice to play in some rainbowland, but the reality is something else.
Forget about it and move on. You could have earned 1500 in this time you wasted crying about it.
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Member
I probably could make 1500g in two days, you probably can't. It's not rainbowland it's I have proof an item was stolen and there's a team that gets paid to handle these situations but they're handling it poorly lmfao.
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Moderator
Things are being handled exactly how they are explicitly stated to be handled in our rules.
If anything is being handled poorly here, it's your ability to receive a "no."
